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2012-04-25, 10:40 AM | [Ignore Me] #16 | ||
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Planes dont get suicide bombed via those methods because of defectors in the groups not because they are unwilling.
But just becuase they can do it doesent mean we should make it easier for any old tit with a gun or a bomb to do it aswell. |
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2012-04-25, 02:55 PM | [Ignore Me] #19 | ||
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Given the nature of the cluster F*** that is a TSA security check point. I am more worried about some one getting getting to the first stage check point and detonating. More targets in the unsecured line then any single aircraft.
The damned checkpoint is a better target then the target it's supposed to protect. Thankfully the intel community is on their job and have been able to preemptively stop most cells from doing their deeds. Also thankfully people are aware and any plans that get passed the authorities gets nailed by citizens who blow the whistle on anything sketchy. They must do random searches in order to prevent legal backlash.. random means random. They don't have a choice who they search. You get that funny notice on your ticket and they have no choice but to follow orders. Last edited by MBRicochet; 2012-04-25 at 02:57 PM. |
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2012-04-25, 06:25 PM | [Ignore Me] #20 | ||
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http://news.yahoo.com/feds-crooked-t...opstories.html
I just found today. The TSA might have a purpose but frankly its their execution that is the issue. |
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2012-04-25, 07:07 PM | [Ignore Me] #21 | |||
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We all trade lives for convenience. I'd like to choose to use an airline that doesn't have ridiculous rules put on it because the masses are really, really, bad at statistics. Terrorists change flying from ultra super mega hyper safe to just sorta super mega duper safe. If you are scared of terrorists, you should be rendered catatonic at the thought of climbing into a car, bicycle, or god forbid, a motorcycle. Nobody is saying there shouldn't be reasonable precautions. The metal detectors we had in the 90s were fine. Zip through, maybe get a wand. Done. Last edited by CutterJohn; 2012-04-25 at 07:14 PM. |
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2012-04-25, 08:49 PM | [Ignore Me] #23 | |||
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Arse bombs haven't killed anyone yet, they arent a very good method because the human body is a very good shock absorber. The last one to try only managed to kill himself. |
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2012-04-25, 09:10 PM | [Ignore Me] #24 | |||
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2012-04-25, 09:45 PM | [Ignore Me] #25 | ||
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We already were. As I said. Before the TSA and the body scanners and pat downs, and including everyone that died as a result of 9/11, airline travel was already ridiculously safe.
Cars, bikes, and motorcycles are all far more dangerous even without the threat of terrorism. If you think airlines needed to be made safer than they already were, you do not understand statistics, since by any measure they are safe even with minimal security. People have an irrational fear of terrorism fueled by the headline grabbing nature of the extremely rare incidents, even though you're dozens of times more likely to die on your commute to work. There have been 75 hijackings since 1950, and several hundred million or perhaps even billions of flights. This is a figure so statistically insignificant as to be irrelevant for any rational discussion. There have probably been more hijacking movies than actual hijackings. Yes, that security exists has prevented an unknowable number of them. But the security they adopted in response was the reasonable, fast, effective, and non intrusive precaution of having metal detectors and xray machines to keep guns off of aircraft. After 9/11 they also added the reasonable and nonintrusive(and in hindsight incredibly obvious) policy of a heavily reinforced cockpit door. There is no terrorist threat. There never has been. More people have been killed by stepladders than by terrorists in this country. Last edited by CutterJohn; 2012-04-25 at 10:24 PM. |
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2012-04-25, 10:09 PM | [Ignore Me] #26 | ||
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http://gawker.com/5905172/aggressive...to-miss-flight
http://gawker.com/tsa/ How far are we willing to allow civil liberties to be ignored and trampled on? The TSA are no better and no more effective than anything else prior to it. Last edited by p0intman; 2012-04-25 at 10:12 PM. |
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2012-04-25, 10:12 PM | [Ignore Me] #27 | |||
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2012-04-26, 07:51 AM | [Ignore Me] #28 | |||
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First, has the TSA foiled any would be terrorist? I hear of people on the aircraft stopping the shoe bomber, the underwear bomber, and a few other assorted clowns. But what about the TSA themselves? Second the cluster that is the security checkpoint is indeed a soft target that has in most cases more people the the plan itself. The fact that the TSA has not recognized this and corrected it point to what a farce the TSA is currently. Right now the TSA seems to more of a affirmative action program for dickheads. |
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2012-04-26, 08:35 AM | [Ignore Me] #29 | ||
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Security for airlines is an important thing. As it is for schools, shopping malls, theme parks, office high-rises, downtown city centers, and so forth.
The execution of airline security is completely mismanaged and in need of a comprehensive overhaul. It needs to be there, but the current system is not working. |
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