Do we know how many cores PS2 / Forgelight can use?

Was_Ash_Emerald · 2012-06-04, 05:03 PM

Most games even today that are multi-core are dual core or even if they use more cores than that are "dumb". Meaning, they put AI on one core, rendering on another core, other game logic on another core, etc.

A truly advanced engine that's genuinely multithreaded would scale dynamically at a much deeper level, which would mean even 6 or 8 cores could all be used.

Does anyone have quotes or references about PS2 or Forgelight in this regard?

**CyclesMcHurtz** · 2012-06-04, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Was_Ash_Emerald

Most games even today that are multi-core are dual core or even they use more cores than that are "dumb". Meaning, they put AI on one core, rendering on another core, other game logic on another core, etc.

A truly advanced engine that's genuinely multithreaded would scale dynamically at a much deeper level, which would mean even 6 or 8 cores could all be used.

It's a tough balancing act to utilize all the cores in a system while still allowing for a small number of cores. The reason many game systems use the separation you mentioned above is because there is an inherent order needed by the game code for things to correctly display. This simplified approach allows good control over the order of things. Not all operations done by game engines can be made to simply go "wide" across all available cores, but some can.

What works well on an i7 (HT-quad core) may significantly reduce performance on a Xeon quad-core if done incorrectly. What works well on a dual-core system may leave a quad core twiddling it's thumbs.

basti · 2012-06-04, 06:03 PM

Come one dude, just tell us!

Xyntech · 2012-06-04, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by CyclesMcHurtz

What works well on an i7 (HT-quad core) may significantly reduce performance on a Xeon quad-core if done incorrectly. What works well on a dual-core system may leave a quad core twiddling it's thumbs.

No need to convince me that you're a wizard. I'm already sold.

MonsterBone · 2012-06-04, 08:08 PM

Answer this question. When I pull up task manager with the game running what do I see?

That's what we want to know.

BigBossMonkey · 2012-06-04, 08:08 PM

The answer is obviously 42.

It's always 42.

Antivide · 2012-06-04, 10:54 PM

Will my i7 benefit from this game?

SpcFarlen · 2012-06-04, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by Antivide

Will my i7 benefit from this game?

Of course, but it goes more with the rest of the architecture like that 8mb cache than the hyperthreading (gimmicky if you are only gaming) and the actually amount of cores unlesss they optimize it for 4 cores.

KnightHawk ECID · 2012-06-04, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by CyclesMcHurtz

Swoosh!

Dodged like a politician!

Was_Ash_Emerald · 2012-06-04, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by CyclesMcHurtz

It's a tough balancing act to utilize all the cores in a system while still allowing for a small number of cores. The reason many game systems use the separation you mentioned above is because there is an inherent order needed by the game code for things to correctly display. ...

Understood.

Given these limits, what are the maximum numbers of cores that PS2 can indeed use- or, perhaps more properly, after how many cores are there rapidly diminishing uses of extra cores?

Also, will there be a 64 bit client?

Was_Ash_Emerald · 2012-06-04, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by MonsterBone

Answer this question. When I pull up task manager with the game running what do I see?

That's what we want to know.

I'd hope he'd just tell us. Heck, we'll figure it out once beta starts. I have an FX-8120 I can throw a Windows image on to check; as crappy it is for all existing games on the market, it works well for some other purposes.

KnightHawk ECID · 2012-06-04, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by Was_Ash_Emerald

I'd hope he'd just tell us. Heck, we'll figure it out once beta starts. I have an FX-8120 I can throw a Windows image on to check; as crappy it is for all existing games on the market, it works well for some other purposes.

Off topic but was is your signature, its kinda creepin' me out haha.

FINALCUT · 2012-06-05, 12:03 AM

The most important question is how many cores does one need to kill Vanu?

Jimmuc · 2012-06-05, 12:05 AM

most games only utilize 2 cores and maybe 3 if it has too. PS2 may reach the 3 cores with so much going on but i don't really know for sure.

it's Ash from Alien, he was an android.

KnightHawk ECID · 2012-06-05, 12:09 AM

Hopefully they can get it to use 4 cores. I mean this is a huge game and its 2012 time to upgrade to 4 cores.