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2012-07-12, 04:12 PM | [Ignore Me] #47 | ||
Except that Israel can't even stay within the confines of the lands taken from others and given to the soon-to-be Israelis. Conquered peoples having their lands taken from them isn't such a new thing. We have plenty of reserves here in Canada, especially where I'm from, where little Anishnaabek enclaves exist as semi-sovereign groups.
But even that isn't enough for Israel. Settlements continue to be built, Palestinians displaced, and the ultra-zionists pandered to with total disregard for the rule of law. So it's not just a historical territorial thing, it's an ongoing, active seizure of land by Israel and the repression of Palestinian territories to such an extent that nearly half of them are unemployed, and live on only a couple dollars a day. |
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2012-07-13, 04:18 PM | [Ignore Me] #50 | ||
There is, as with so many other topics, more than one side to consider.
I always find it odd when some people label those who criticise Isreal as anti-semite. Then again those who support Israel shouldn't be labeled as pro-semite either. Isreal isn't a theocracy, so... Personally I don't feel any hate or love towards any country, including my own. I find it really hard to be surprised by any acts of cruelty, performed by any groups of people. Why? Because humans are human in nature, and unless the historical tomes I've read were all filled with lies I'm pretty sure that it' safe to conclude that we humans are right nutters. I guess that leaves me with this surmise. Israel is just as ffed up as basicly every other country, all of them have skeletons in their respective closets, and just as unwilling to acknowledge it.
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2012-07-13, 08:49 PM | [Ignore Me] #52 | ||
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Just like we all hate America?
You're not really good at this criticaster analysis thing, are you? You also do realise that critique on Israel is not critique on ****, right? And even if you would hate Israel - which people here do not, they just think they misbehave - then you still wouldn't hate **** per se. Just because **** are in charge of Israel doesn't mean you blame every *** for the actions of the government of Israel. Maybe you didn't know this Malorn, but not only isn't every *** in Israel part of its government, but there's also **** living in other nations. So unless you can find one quote from any person in this thread that says that **** in general, regardless if they're israeli or not, are somehow evil or can find any other degenerating term, then I think you owe some people here an apology for insulting them with supposed bigotry and supposed anti-semitism. Sounds fair enough? Last edited by Figment; 2012-07-13 at 08:56 PM. |
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2012-07-14, 01:10 AM | [Ignore Me] #53 | |||
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Oh yeah, I want you on Team GOD. We were ranked #1 outfit on the last Planetside, along with MANY other games you can google us. All these other "outfits" and other bullshit things are all fuckin stupid they all suck and will always suck they are all about numbers and not skill. We have members who are from all walks such as myg0t, the only reason why you interest me is because I have an arab on my team and he is sometimes defensive and it would be hilarious to watch you two fight and argue all the time. I will do anything to have you join my team. team god.net I'm dead serious. Last edited by GODMOLLY; 2012-07-14 at 01:49 AM. |
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2012-07-14, 04:22 AM | [Ignore Me] #54 | ||
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So I'm really not going to get into the whole Israel vs Palestine 'debate' because, as with the actual conflict, neither side is going to adjust their outlook regardless of what the other says. I actually travelled to Israel when I was 17 on business specifically relating to the conflict. My visit was for research purposes so I spent much of my time talking with the citizens of Israel and trying to better understand their mindset having grown up myself in a liberal middle class UK family.
Reading this thread I'm reminded of my overwhelming memory from the trip; the overly politicised, combative and (to a greater or lesser extent) the aggressive nature of everyone I spoke to as soon as anyone mentioned the country or anything relating to Palestinians. I remember being at a cafe with a slight older Israeli man. We were playing Chess and chatting when he asked me what I thought of Israel. Wanting to be polite I was listing things I considered complimentary until I apparently hit a conversational land-mine; Me: ".... Yeah, I'd like to come back and travel across the whole country. Everything is so close here, it's like you could walk from one side of it to the other!" His previously warm demeanour instantly changes. He gives me the thousand yard stare. Him: "And that's a good thing, is it?!" One thing the Op said caught my eye a few pages ago. "Your (sic) not trying to kill me with aggressive arguments, that's refreshing". I think that's an unintentional insight into the typical - at least in my experience - mindset of an Israeli on this subject. Even the most friendly and otherwise calm people seem to become aggressive, almost militaristic in their expressions and their attitude. Personally, coming from a country where apathy is considered 'cool', at 17 I found this fascinating, if a little intimidating! Last edited by Dart; 2012-07-14 at 04:44 AM. |
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2012-07-14, 12:26 PM | [Ignore Me] #55 | ||||
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2012-07-14, 12:46 PM | [Ignore Me] #56 | |||
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Remember that anti-Semitic also applies to anti-Arab rhetoric. Zionists are anti-Semitic by nature.
- - - - - - That's it for now. Waiting for him to get back and bump this.
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2012-07-14, 04:06 PM | [Ignore Me] #58 | |||
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Neither Palestinians nor **** had a country when the conflict began. The land in dispute was a part of the Ottoman empire for more than six centuries and after that under British mandate from 1923-1948. When the British left both **** and Palestinians had well established communities living side by side and there was no formal agreement of how to divide the land. Obviously, war ensued. So you see, it wasn't 1 million foreign nation soldiers against 35 million Canadians in their own established country. It was more like 600k **** without a country against 1 million Palestinians without a country + six other Arab nations as allies. |
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2012-07-14, 06:23 PM | [Ignore Me] #59 | ||
The foundations of many of our formerly Imperial colonies are built on the mass graves of the indigenous populations. Imperialism royally fucked the situation the natives of North America, Africa, and elsewhere. As people who don't belong to those demographics we can kick back and relish in how nice it was for Britain or whoever to pave over some other nations with their own culture, but what if the Empire had cooperated and been something other than dominant and inhumane toward the people they conquered? Maybe now there'd be modern nations whose roots lie in the Cree, Lakota, Ojibwe, and similar peoples. Who is to say whether such a scenario would have been better or worse for the nations as a whole. Certainly it would have been better for the natives.
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2012-07-14, 07:11 PM | [Ignore Me] #60 | |||
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