Trayvon Martin

[Warborn]

Originally Posted by Baneblade

The difference is, I'm not an automatic believer in the victim.

Speculating that she came forward with a bogus claim regarding Zimmerman is different than not automatically believing her. There's withholding judgment until more evidence is available, and then there's dismissing the claim even without further evidence because it doesn't suit your taste.

Incidentally, the woman who came forward is Zimmerman's cousin, so it isn't like this is just some random claim.

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by Warborn

Speculating that she came forward with a bogus claim regarding Zimmerman is different than not automatically believing her. There's withholding judgment until more evidence is available, and then there's dismissing the claim even without further evidence because it doesn't suit your taste.

Incidentally, the woman who came forward is Zimmerman's cousin, so it isn't like this is just some random claim.

The only thing I dismiss automatically in PolDebate is you and that's as far as I'm taking that.

[ItsTheSheppy]

Originally Posted by Baneblade

The only thing I dismiss automatically in PolDebate is you and that's as far as I'm taking that.

In that case I'll say it.

There is a gulf between withholding judgement, and dismissing claims as inconsequential based on some purely imagined narrative you impose. You possess no evidence that what she is claiming is false or that she "wanted it" or anything else. Yet you seem to believe such things, because it would be more palatable to you.

Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty, but the claim deserves respect and attentive investigation.

[Warborn]

Originally Posted by Baneblade

The only thing I dismiss automatically in PolDebate is you and that's as far as I'm taking that.

Maybe one day I'll murder an unarmed black child to gain your respect.

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by ItsTheSheppy

Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty, but the claim deserves respect and attentive investigation.

And I have not said anything to the contrary.

Originally Posted by Warborn

Maybe one day I'll murder an unarmed black child to gain your respect.

Exactly your problem kid, you think because I didn't just jump on the crucifixion bandwagon, that I must be somehow condoning or supporting him.

[ItsTheSheppy]

Originally Posted by Baneblade

And I have not said anything to the contrary.

You did. You hand-waved it as a case of her 'must of having wanted it'. You presumed knowledge where you had none, and used that imagined knowledge to discredit the claim.

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by ItsTheSheppy

You did. You hand-waved it as a case of her 'must of having wanted it'. You presumed knowledge where you had none, and used that imagined knowledge to discredit the claim.

I did no such thing, I merely stated alternative possibilities... you know, something objective thinkers do. Just because you want to ascribe something more to it than that does not mean you are correct.

You've already made up your mind about it and I have no delusions of changing that, but stating a possible viewpoint that is diametrically opposed to your own does mean I share an equivalent conviction about the actuality of it.

[ItsTheSheppy]

Originally Posted by Baneblade

I did no such thing, I merely stated alternative possibilities... you know, something objective thinkers do. Just because you want to ascribe something more to it than that does not mean you are correct.

You've already made up your mind about it and I have no delusions of changing that, but stating a possible viewpoint that is diametrically opposed to your own does mean I share an equivalent conviction about the actuality of it.

I haven't made up my mind about jack shit. I pointed out that it's surprising that yet another allegation has fallen on his head, and that I was interested in seeing it bear out one way or the other. I have never suggested otherwise.

It's plain to see where you bias lies, however, in your "objective thinking" has not apparently yet taken you to conclude that Zimmerman perhaps executed an unarmed teenager in cold blood, or that he molests girls, or so forth. Your 'objective thinking' seems to take you oftentimes to conclusions that he is blameless. Funny, that.

[Warborn]

Originally Posted by Baneblade

Exactly your problem kid, you think because I didn't just jump on the crucifixion bandwagon, that I must be somehow condoning or supporting him.

Haha, "kid". Also, you're victim blaming someone who came forward about being sexually abused, and you act like a guy who chased after a kid with a pistol like a fucking asshole and ended up shooting him doesn't deserve to be crucified for his actions. I'm not the one with problems here.

[Geist]

Originally Posted by Warborn

Haha, "kid". Also, you're victim blaming someone who came forward about being sexually abused, and you act like a guy who chased after a kid with a pistol like a fucking asshole and ended up shooting him doesn't deserve to be crucified for his actions. I'm not the one with problems here.

Yes, you are the one with problems here. Everything you say in this thread sounds like you have some sort of personal stake in the outcome of the case. Were you related to the victim? Because your relaying a lot of hatred for a guy you supposedly never met.

My personal opinion about the case now: This is completely FUBAR and we will never get a proper resolution.

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by ItsTheSheppy

I haven't made up my mind about jack shit. I pointed out that it's surprising that yet another allegation has fallen on his head, and that I was interested in seeing it bear out one way or the other. I have never suggested otherwise.

It's plain to see where you bias lies, however, in your "objective thinking" has not apparently yet taken you to conclude that Zimmerman perhaps executed an unarmed teenager in cold blood, or that he molests girls, or so forth. Your 'objective thinking' seems to take you oftentimes to conclusions that he is blameless. Funny, that.

Between you and the other one, you have the lynch perspective covered. Just because I bring a balanced perspective to the discussion, doesn't mean I'm not objective.

[Warborn]

Originally Posted by Geist

Yes, you are the one with problems here. Everything you say in this thread sounds like you have some sort of personal stake in the outcome of the case. Were you related to the victim? Because your relaying a lot of hatred for a guy you supposedly never met.

I'm one of those weird guys who gets outraged when children are killed for no reason.

[WildGunsTomcat]

Originally Posted by Warborn

I'm one of those weird guys who gets outraged when children are killed for no reason.

smdh.

I'm just suprised how open minded people claim to be...and then they automatically assume that a man is guilty based on circumstantial and incomplete evidence.

[ziegler]

Originally Posted by Warborn

I'm one of those weird guys who gets outraged when children are killed for no reason.

Really? Where's the outrage for the kids killed in the ghettos every single day? ....if I was taking a wild guess...you arent as outraged about those, because it wasnt a white-hispanic accused of doing the killing, it was just another black kid killing a black kid and that's ok, cause there's no way to express your hatred of white people when that happens.

[cBselfmonkey]

Originally Posted by ziegler

Really? Where's the outrage for the kids killed in the ghettos every single day? ....if I was taking a wild guess...you arent as outraged about those, because it wasnt a white-hispanic accused of doing the killing, it was just another black kid killing a black kid and that's ok, cause there's no way to express your hatred of white people when that happens.

Ahh, pulling the race card. Classy stuff going on in this thread.

/popcorn