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View Poll Results: good idea?
it has potential, i'd like to have an alternative to the Flail. 20 64.52%
too bad the Devs'll never listen to this post. 4 12.90%
LOLOROFLWTFOMGU SO N00B THSYLL UNBALANCE TEHGAMEADN MAKE ME JH USLES!1 COUNTER-STRIKE 4 EVR!!!!!111!!! 7 22.58%
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Old 2003-12-31, 06:18 AM   [Ignore Me] #1
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60mm mortar


60mm mortar:
-it takes up a rifle slot.
-once it is unholstered it is deployed with G. once deployed the opperator is rendered immobile.
-has a 360 degree traverse, a 25 degree minimum elivation, and an 89 degree maximum elevation.
-the ammo boxes are the same size as the Phonix' and hold 10 shells each.
-three ammo types, High Explosive Fragmentation(twice as powerful as the Thumper's Frag grenades), Plasma(same as the plasma grenade, only with a slightly larger blast radius), and High Explosive Anti Tank(HEAT, twice as powerful as a rocklet).
-common pool
-requires heavy assault, and Reinforced Exo as a prerequisite.
-has a minimum range of 100 meters, and a maximum range of 1,000 meters.

it's like a Flail, accept it's not nearly as powerful, not nearly ar far reaching, not nearly as well armoured, and doesn't require a vehicle module to procure.
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Old 2003-12-31, 06:34 AM   [Ignore Me] #2
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Make tanks a 1 vehicle cert, and put this at the Flail together as an Artillery cert.

Are you in love with the Phoenix? You make some sort of reference to it in all of your posts almost. Kinda creepy.

Other than those, we don't want this to become a game of shell-reload-shell-reload-shell, have a zerg go in wipe out the inside, hack.
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Old 2003-12-31, 06:49 AM   [Ignore Me] #3
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i hate the Zerg with every fiber of my being.
i have never once used the Phonix in the game.
my current certs are ScatterMAX, Air Support, Ground Transport, Hacking, Adv. Hacking, and Infiltrator suit.

you know, you remind me of another guy who picks at ideas. his name's Oswald, you two might get along. all i'm saying is you seem to really like to pick at knits.
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Old 2003-12-31, 07:04 AM   [Ignore Me] #4
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Make it a two-rifle slot (mortars have large base plates), and drop the minimum range to fifty meters. Allow for the zoom to have a rangefinder, and your mouse movements adjust the barrel angle accordingly.
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Old 2003-12-31, 07:30 AM   [Ignore Me] #5
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I'm con to this idea. More area spammage, no thanks.
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Old 2003-12-31, 07:41 AM   [Ignore Me] #6
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Hey, you post an idea for a new weapon, expect it to get ripped apart.
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Old 2003-12-31, 08:02 AM   [Ignore Me] #7
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This isn't like an uber-death weapon, it doesn't do area spammage. Every infantry unit has mortars, from infantry training units all the way up to Ranger battalions.

The mortar is a short-range anti-personnel indirect fire weapon. Unlike the artillery, whose job is to take out mass areas at long ranges, and can damage or destroy most any vehicle, the mortar is a "personal" indirect fire weapon.

You have to be close to the enemy. You have to either have a forward observer or you have to know roughly where he is. Many times, infantrymen can tell where the mortar rounds are coming from. Mortar shells do close-area damage, and there have been numerous soldiers who have survived mortar attacks. 60mm mortars are among the 'weakest' of those weapons- in terms of mortar firepower, anyway. A 60mm mortar is not even as powerful as a Sunderer/Lightning gun.
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Old 2003-12-31, 08:37 AM   [Ignore Me] #8
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But then lightnings can't arc their shots so that they go over walls and fall 5m behind them.
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Old 2003-12-31, 10:45 AM   [Ignore Me] #9
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The Lightning can arc its fire over a wall if he knows what he's doing. Factors include an observer to call adjustments, distance from tube to target, vehicle emplacement, arc of fire (angle), etc. Obviously if you're a dildo and you park right outside the wall like most of the n00bs who spam a tower, then you're not going to make that shot, not even firing at the highest arc.

I see the Lightning as a heavy scout vehicle, a light tank that works well with heavy armor as support, and as a mobile mortar (which ironically is what most mortar teams today are... a tube mounted in the troop bay of an APC, sticking out of the top "sunroof" hatch). But a man-portable mortar system would be great for those light-infantry assaults.

To keep it from being a spam weapon, the blast radius would be relatively small, or at least progressively lower from epicenter to end-radius. It should occupy two rifle slots in the armor (like MechCommander Two weapons). It should be at least four cert points, or lumped in with heavy assault. And reinforced armor would obviously be a prerequisite if you have to fill two rifle slots. Ammo cases should also be relatively large, so you can't cram a million rounds into armor, but each ammo crate should contain at least ten rounds. The weapon should be a single-shot, "bolt-action" style weapon with a long reload time (time to clear the tube, remove a mortar cartridge, pick up a new one, adjust fire, and drop a new round in). You can even include a "heat dissipation" cycle, also like Mechwarrior, where the weapon has to cool down after x-amount of rounds. Otherwise dropping a round into an overheated weapon could result in an ammo cook-off, which for big-bore weapons is not pretty.

I'm fairly sure that these 'adjustments' would keep the weapon from being an "uber-|33t" weapon. A mortar is not just another infantry weapon. It's designed to support infantry forces, and it's designed to be a heavy-hitter (versus standard infantry weapons). People complain about not having enough weapons, or too much air or too much armor, blah-blah/yada-yada. Well here you go. Here's a valid, logical weapon.

PS: please stop saying "clips", people. It's called MAGAZINE. A clip is a freaking piece of wire that holds money and papers in place. Only retarded wanna-be ghetto-gangstas say "clip", and I highly doubt anyone here is an OG Thug.
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Old 2003-12-31, 10:49 AM   [Ignore Me] #10
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Originally Posted by Rayder
But then lightnings can't arc their shots so that they go over walls and fall 5m behind them.
I have :P

I like the idea, I don't think it would be too strong either.
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Old 2003-12-31, 11:24 AM   [Ignore Me] #11
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Tsk tsk fly, you know speed-clips aren't called speed-magazines.

The Lightning can't hit that group of soldiers on the other side of the wall that your facing.


X (Lightning) (wall)--> |x (x being the infantry)

A Lightning can't pull that off unless it's on the other side of the base, but a mortar can.
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Old 2003-12-31, 11:32 AM   [Ignore Me] #12
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Like I said- it's about positioning. Bases have a 360 radius, and Lightnings are mobile. They can drive around to the other side... HOWEVER- if a Lightning driver is smart, or knows what he's doing, he (or she) will have another Lightning.

We dont use "speed clips". We have speed-loaders for our magazines.
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Old 2003-12-31, 11:57 AM   [Ignore Me] #13
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I like the flail more.
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Old 2003-12-31, 03:59 PM   [Ignore Me] #14
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Yes to man-portable mortars.
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Old 2003-12-31, 04:07 PM   [Ignore Me] #15
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I'd love to see a man portable mortar in the game. It wouldn't be that powerful or accurate and it would add some interesting tactics to the game. It gets a positive vote from me.
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