Our Lovely TSA strikes again

Sgt Shultz · 2012-04-24, 04:43 PM

The TSA is in the news again this time for frisking a 4 year old girl that was a deemed a threat to airport security.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-security.html

Its sad that to hear about this sort of thing you have to read British newspapers.

Vash02 · 2012-04-24, 05:06 PM

A rule of thumb:
Dont trust a single word the daily fail says. They arent exactly known for their commitment to the truth if it gets in the way of a good story.

Cite the source when you can: https://www.facebook.com/notes/miche.../3717883791131

Baneblade · 2012-04-24, 07:31 PM

The TSA never should have existed.

Vash02 · 2012-04-24, 08:06 PM

They take their commitment to not racially profile a bit too far at times lol.

WildGunsTomcat · 2012-04-24, 09:11 PM

So a woman writes a facebook post about something that supposedly happened in Kansas...which is picked up by a UK news source....and you guys believe it?

I looked around and can't find anything about this incident on any other news source. CNN, MSNBC, FOX, BBC...Nothing.

If the TSA had made a little girl this hysterical that she's having night terrors...don't you think ANY news source along with the daily mall would have reported about it?

If someone can find another source I will gladly eat my hat.

EDIT: I am now eating my hat. Found it on FOX and MSNBC.

With that being said...I'm not entirely sure I believe this story 100%. I would need to see video footage of the security tapes...which they are apparently getting...they also include audio. I will reserve judgement until I see them.

Link to Fox News Story

Link to MSNBC News Story

Vash02 · 2012-04-24, 09:17 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/parents-ye...ry?id=13363740
Well, here's one where they frisk a 6 year old.

The FB one has probably been embellished somewhat.

WildGunsTomcat · 2012-04-24, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Vash02

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/parents-ye...ry?id=13363740
Well, here's one where they frisk a 6 year old.

The FB one has probably been embellished somewhat.

Yeah I edited my post. I found it.

But even the news posts on Fox and MSNBC are basically them cutting and pasting her facebook post and calling it "reporting"

I'm sure she's biased because it's her daughter, like I said I would need to see tapes.

Vecha · 2012-04-24, 11:48 PM

This shows how incompetent the TSA is.

I really don't know what the answer is.

MORE money?

Better training?

What?

CutterJohn · 2012-04-25, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by Vecha

This shows how incompetent the TSA is.

I really don't know what the answer is.

MORE money?

Better training?

What?

Getting rid of it. It is pointless security theater. Before the TSA, and including the 9/11 hijackings(and including the people that died on the ground), airlines were one of the safest methods of transportation possible. They are ridiculously safe, because a tragedy is ridiculously bad press for the company operating the aircraft.

The *only* flaw 9/11 pointed out was the lack of a reinforced cockpit door.

Furthermore, flights will never be used as kamikaze craft ever again. It became an outdated tactic that very morning once people understood the stakes.

Crashes, hijackings, accidents, etc could increase tenfold, and flying would still be safer than car travel.

p0intman · 2012-04-25, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by Sobekeus

The TSA never should have existed.

I love you in a completely non-gay manner.

Vecha · 2012-04-25, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

Crashes, hijackings, accidents, etc could increase tenfold, and flying would still be safer than car travel.

I don't know why, but I'd rather get in a car crash...

Maybe the free falling part freaks me out(even though it would be quicker than a car crash.)

Anywho...While I understand/respect your opinion...I really wish there was a way to make sure no one gets on a plane with a weapon. Guess that's a lofty goal?

Also...please tell me they have fixed the pilot doors?(Sad that I don't know this.)

Firefly · 2012-04-25, 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by Vecha

Also...please tell me they have fixed the pilot doors?(Sad that I don't know this.)

Yes. Pretty much every cockpit door is now the strongest part of the aircraft. They lock, they're incredibly strong, and in addition to this there have been dozens of incidents where passengers have royally fucked the shit out of anyone who acts inappropriately (sometimes going too far). TSA is basically irrelevant. TSA has failed a number of internal probes and they've also failed a number of non-probes which are merely public incidents that come to light after the fact. What, exactly, are they stopping? And who checks baggage handlers? I want to say nobody, really. Nothing more than a cursory background check. Sleeper agents aren't going to have real names or criminal records or flagged files. These idiots are worried about passengers because the 9/11 hijackers were passengers. They don't worry about anyone smuggling shit into an airplane like a bomb. They don't worry about a handler putting a gun on a plane for a totally innocuous terrorist to fish out of hiding.

The only real problem with planes is this: bombs or missiles. I'm fairly certain if I want to just Lockerbie a plane, I don't need a cockpit door or passenger cooperation, especially if I'm willing to die without doing anything more than screaming a last-minute battle cry and pressing a button quickly. Or if I live in a country with unsecured borders, simply parking my car somewhere, waiting until something lumbers into view, and firing a missile.

And finally: when I flew back from Iraq, with my unit, we all had guns. Lots of guns. Pistols, rifles, automatic weapons. Granted, none of the bolts were in the weapon - but they were in our cargo pocket. I got dinged by a security "expert" who said I couldn't take my nail clippers on the plane. He said it was a security risk and it was policy.

I gave him my clippers because I wanted to go home and because my first sergeant was staring at me like he was going to eat my face if I wised off to the guy. But think about how fucking stupid that is. Ever chew through someone's neck with a pair of cheap PX fingernail clippers? LOOK OUT, ACHMED HAS A HANG NAIL!

Baneblade · 2012-04-25, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by p0intman

I love you in a completely non-gay manner.

Let's have non-gay sex!

I have a cousin who won't speak to me anymore, because she became a TSO and she had to give up defending the TSA around me, because she couldn't bring any points other than 'we just do what we are told'. It lose/lose for her.

Vash02 · 2012-04-25, 06:42 AM

Sorry guys, its not that simple. You cant let people onto a plane without some screening. Rather than flying a plane into a building you will have a few thousand gallons of burning jet fuel and tons of wreckage raining down on New York.
They tried it in 2006 and people have been banned from bringing drinks onto a plane ever since.
Dont believe the depths these sort of people will drop to to kill people. They used a mentally retarded man to plant a bomb in a resturant in Britain. It wasnt the most effective strategy but dont doubt they will use a small children, disabled people and other vulnerable people to pass weapons and bomb parts through security.

CutterJohn · 2012-04-25, 10:03 AM

Anyone with a reasonable budget and 3 brain cells to rub together could bring a bomb on board an airplane, and they can do it with 100% success, and no policy for detecting it would ever, ever, ever be tolerated.

I'll make it easy on you. We all have assholes. Having roamed the internet for many years, I am quite aware of how... voluminous.. it is. You can apparently lodge things of incredible length and girth inside.

How long before a plane blows up from an assbomber? Its only a matter of time until they realize this. People have been smuggling drugs up there for years. It will work just as well with bombs. Sure it may be uncomfortable or even hurt, but these people are willing to kill themselves. This is a simple, low tech, and 100% effective solution available to nearly every single human being alive.

Your security theater, as such, is absolutely meaningless. It can not and will not go to the lengths necessary to assure safety. People will never tolerate cavity searches. They will never tolerate X-rays.

The actual truth is.. Planes don't get suicide bombed because very few people want to be suicide bombers. Hijackings we can guard against with simple metal detectors and strong doors, and passengers who will not tolerate misbehavior.