Grief must die

Jeffey · 2005-03-28, 10:55 AM

I won't type up a big long story about it, as you all play(ed) PS and therfore have experienced the lameness that is the grief system. But getting grief locked because a prowler runs me over, is kind of...? Isn't there anything that they could do to overhaul this thing

ChewyLSB · 2005-03-28, 11:14 AM

I've never understood why people have such trouble with grief. The highest I've ever gotten was 500, and that was when I was being really stupid with Thumper plasma grenades. I mean, I've used all of the "grief machines" (Maelstrom Secondary or Tertiary, Anti-Infantry Pounder, Thumper Plasma), and I have NEVER grief locked. Closest I've ever come was 500, and my grief is usually under 100.

Smaug · 2005-03-28, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by ChewyLSB

I've never understood why people have such trouble with grief. The highest I've ever gotten was 500, and that was when I was being really stupid with Thumper plasma grenades. I mean, I've used all of the "grief machines" (Maelstrom Secondary or Tertiary, Anti-Infantry Pounder, Thumper Plasma), and I have NEVER grief locked. Closest I've ever come was 500, and my grief is usually under 100.

You must not be Emerald NC.... I can't remember how many times some retard has run infront of me whilst I was firing grenades at the top of a friendly packed staircase, thus giving me about 10 times the grief I should get because it exploded right in my face, and the other 10 NC's faces.

Mag-Mower · 2005-03-28, 12:09 PM

greif system need an overhaul, i was walking in a CY, and a vanguard hit me, i got a few points of damage+200 greif points, this is bull shite

Crashtopher · 2005-03-28, 12:28 PM

That's a good point. Why do I get grief when a vehicle runs me over?

ChewyLSB · 2005-03-28, 12:47 PM

It's to stop people from intentionally running in front of vehicles to give the driver grief.

Warborn · 2005-03-28, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by ChewyLSB

It's to stop people from intentionally running in front of vehicles to give the driver grief.

Exactly. As a vehicle driver I hit people who run in front of me without even looking or stand right in the entrance to a base, forcing me to maneuver around them, the barriers, and whatever other traffic is coming and going. Infantry are stupid and inconsiderate of vehicles a lot of the time and I'm glad you get grief for being hit, because you guys need to watch where the hell you're going, too.

Jeffey · 2005-03-28, 04:11 PM

The worst is getting kicked by a BFR, you get like two or three "hits" of grief for one collision

FatalLight · 2005-03-28, 09:29 PM

I thought the whole reason you got grief from being run over is because you do damage to him and they have no way of knowing whether or not you shot him...

Anyway the BFR kicked thing is THE WORST it just keeps piling and people don't get pushed off!

ZionsFire · 2005-03-28, 11:45 PM

Emerald NC grunts must be the most un-educated soldiers in the history of forever. Of course everyone sees me throwing grenades into the enemy packed tower, but oh, we must all jump infront of my plasma grenades! Yayyyyy! Plasma showers for all friendlies! yayyy!

Bastards.

Lonehunter · 2005-03-28, 11:51 PM

The ONLY change I think should be made to grief system is being hit by a vehicle and getting frief. If one hits you and you get weapons lock, well you shouldn't have had it so high in the first place.

While on the subject of grief, whats the most you've got all at once? Mine is 800. I got the finishing kill of a Magrider that when blew up killed TWO fully manned prowlers, almost instant weapons lock.

Electrofreak · 2005-03-29, 06:44 AM

I had over 3000 grief on the test server once. It gave me an automatic 3 day ban. It was when BFRs first appeared on test, back when the Devs were the only ones supposed to be piloting them. Well, I had accidently gotten imprinted from a previous event so I was able to drive a Gunner Variant BFR. Naturally, dozens of people would crowd around my feet, and back then you got grief for stepping on people. Yeah, it wasn't pretty.

I was weapons locked within the first 20 minutes of being on the test server just from people getting underfoot, and it kept going up because there was no way for me to move my BFR without crushing somebody the way they crowded around me.

Oh, and a note: if you are automatically banned, there isn't anything the Devs can do about it. Even Sporkfire couldn't lift the ban. He tried to but the server wouldn't let him. And, it bans your whole account and extends across all characters. The wierd thing is, when I got back from the ban 3 days later, I still had 3000+ grief. However I was able to have them manually set the number back to zero. Not something you want to have happen though

Baneblade · 2005-03-29, 07:32 AM

Well...you could have just stopped and got out...but that would be far less exciting.

what I love about the grief system is I can mow an entire courtyard and hit 1300, then I can OS that same courtyard and get 10.

Grief, it's what's for dinner.

Warborn · 2005-03-29, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Sobekeus

Well...you could have just stopped and got out...but that would be far less exciting.

what I love about the grief system is I can mow an entire courtyard and hit 1300, then I can OS that same courtyard and get 10.

Grief, it's what's for dinner.

Well, Sam did say recently that he'd be looking at the use and proliferation of OS's. Hopefully this is a prelude to a total CR overhaul, but who knows.

Jeffey · 2005-03-29, 10:45 AM

Another thing to keep in mind is how often you play. Myself, I play every day, for at the very least 2 hours (days I have work) otherwise I play all bloody day for a total of 6+ hours. Even if I watch every nade, and every bullet, I'll still run over some grunt in my marauder, or hit a friendly cloaker when I'm shelling from a prowler.

I won't even get into the fact that my weapon set of choice is a Rocket Rifle and a Thumper.

Generally speaking when I log to sleep, then goto school the next day, when I log in the next afternoon after school my grief has dropped about 150-200. It's very easy to re earn that grief in a day's play time.

It all loops back to how often you play and what weapons you use, but that doesn't justify anything, as it stands, the system punishes you for other people's stupidity. I'll go out on a limb and estimate that 90/100 weapon locks are not "real" griefers, just people like me who specialize with splash damaging weapons and is an active cav driver.