Should the Enforcer and Sauron be better at AA, or is the Vulcan too good at AA?

phungus · 2013-07-04, 12:15 AM

What are your opinions on this people? It doesn't seem too bad, really, just the only problem is only TR can gib ESFs and libs as easily with MBTs and Harrassers.

One thing is for sure though, as a fourth factioner the TR's striker and Vulcan make the air game easier, and different. It doesn't seem right to me. The stiker is getting changed in the ESF update (or we can assume so based on the notes from the devs). So in my opinion the striker isn't worth discussing, until we see the ESF update. We know it's broken, but the devs do to and are presumably fixing it (actually have the standard G2A be fire and forget while the striker needs to hold the lock would be a perfect way to balance things). The Vulcan though, it's good at killing ESFs, straight up - it's no Skyguard, but it is superior to an AA MAX at close AA support. Where the vulcan really shines is shattering libs and gals though.

I think it seems fine where the Vulcan is in terms of AA. The Vulcan is an interesing trade off with the Walker; I think it's just superior though overall. The Walker is better at range whereas the vulcan vaporizes ESFs in CQC (from an air perspective, wish I could put a vulcan on my mossy), but against heavy aircraft I think the Vulcan is just superior in every way to the walker - against ESFs it's totally situational.

It's an interesting balance thing, and on the main forums everyone focuses on needing to nerf the Vulcan. But I don't really buy that. If the Sauron and Enforcer were brought up to the Vulcan's level in terms of AA duty, it could be really interesting.

DarkBalths · 2013-07-04, 12:49 AM

Vulcan is OP against air,
Enforcer is way OP against armour,
Saron is (not so much since the nerf) OP against infantry.

Selerox · 2013-07-04, 02:31 AM

I saw a trio of Prowlers acting as an AA battery yesterday. So yeah, it's OP.

Falcon_br · 2013-07-04, 03:02 AM

Everything is op in this game.
I am using the vulcan for since day one and didn´t show any air unit with it yet, maybe one or two, but not as many as people claim here.

KesTro · 2013-07-04, 03:29 AM

I do think the Vulcan is easily the strongest of the three but the Dev's already said that every faction will have a weapon with similar functionality to the vulcan at some point. So good news, you can kill the TR with their own niche.

phungus · 2013-07-04, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by KesTro

I do think the Vulcan is easily the strongest of the three but the Dev's already said that every faction will have a weapon with similar functionality to the vulcan at some point. So good news, you can kill the TR with their own niche.

Cool. I don't really have a problem with the vulcan for AA against ESFs, I do think it's OP against gals and libs straight up though. If all other factions get something similar - short ranged monster that shreds anything at close range, then that would be cool. I just don't like how TR has an advantage protecting their armor since ESFs have to stay about twice the distance from Prowler's and TR Harrassers then mossys have to stay from the NC and VS equivalents.

Vulcan is cool though, it really doesn't feel broken to me - just wholly unfair that only TR get it.

Rolfski · 2013-07-04, 05:13 AM

Vulcan still sucks against infantry which is the big trade-off here.

TheAadvark · 2013-07-04, 07:08 AM

That's the problem the word Over Powered. Your looking too long and too hard at 1v1 situations whereas in planetside 2 you should be looking at sqaud/platoon vs one another.No weapon is overpowered when teamwork is evident. I'm happy with the vulcan I like the way it sounds and fires but if you were to call in soldiers a few rockets/mines/C4 and it's gone.

Also I hope to god SOE does not give you guys Vulcan equivalents no no no, it's ours our identity we are already the most generic faction out there.

The TR have already had it hard up the ass and none of our Factions supposed uniqueness has held true. Everyone has negligible differences in R.O.F. which is the TR's preserve , leave us be I love my faction ( maybe not most of the people in it) leave it be please !

Osskscosco · 2013-07-04, 07:19 AM

Sauron from lord of the rings? Or we are talking about the Saron?

Obstruction · 2013-07-04, 07:46 AM

one beam to rule them all

Osskscosco · 2013-07-04, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by Obstruction

one beam to rule them all

Release the nazguls! They will take care of the ESFs.

snafus · 2013-07-04, 11:39 AM

It does have a major trade off at being a sub par infantry killer. But it still currently shreds aircraft much to quickly from a balance perspective. As our outfit specifically pulls them to hunt aircraft at times it is just silly to watch.

AThreatToYou · 2013-07-04, 01:44 PM

People seem to forget there's a shotgun version of the Enforcer that is effectively worthless.

bpostal · 2013-07-04, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by DarkBalths

Vulcan is OP against air,
Enforcer is way OP against armour,
Saron is (not so much since the nerf) OP against infantry.

I was going to type something up this morning when I saw this thread. I couldn't think of what to type.
This, up there ^^^ That's what I wanted to say.

Everything's OP, it just depends on what it's OP against.

maradine · 2013-07-04, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by DarkBalths

Vulcan is OP against air,
Enforcer is way OP against armour,
Saron is (not so much since the nerf) OP against infantry.

It's almost like . . . the factions have different strengths. Fascinating!