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Old 2006-02-02, 03:05 PM   [Ignore Me] #1
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Turned up the Volume to loud? Sue!!


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Old 2006-02-02, 03:17 PM   [Ignore Me] #2
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Old 2006-02-02, 05:52 PM   [Ignore Me] #3
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Oh god I spilled this hot coffee on my self. Ive been horribly burned. Its your fault for not telling me the fresh coffee is hot so I wouldnt spill it on my self.

Oh god I got fat. I ate your food for 5 years straight and gained 200 pounds.

Oh god your gun poduced a bullet that hit me.

Oh god your pocket radio made me go deaf after using it to play extremly loud gay butt sex porn sounds for 12 hours a day.

Edit: Oh almost forgot. Im Sueing.
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Old 2006-02-03, 11:03 AM   [Ignore Me] #4
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On the back of a packet of KP Peanuts: "Warning, may contain nuts"

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Old 2006-02-03, 05:19 PM   [Ignore Me] #5
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Oh god I spilled this hot coffee on my self. Ive been horribly burned. Its your fault for not telling me the fresh coffee is hot so I wouldnt spill it on my self.

This case is more disputable then most would think. The McDonald's that served the old lady the coffee, they made their Coffee hotter than normal. The reason being, to keep it warmer throughout the day, for the customers. Problem was, they never expressed this to their customers. They never said they made their coffee hotter than normal, hotter than any other McDonald's. I'm not backing this old lady who sued, but i'm also not backing McDonald's. The old lady ended up getting 2nd degree burns. Have you ever had 2nd degree burns? Damn they hurt :P


I will say the rest of your examples are perfect.

This person sueing for hearing loss is complete bullshit. It even states in the manual that it can be loud and can cause hearing loss. I just hope he doesn't win.
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Old 2006-02-03, 05:41 PM   [Ignore Me] #6
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Originally Posted by Kyonye
This case is more disputable then most would think. The McDonald's that served the old lady the coffee, they made their Coffee hotter than normal. The reason being, to keep it warmer throughout the day, for the customers. Problem was, they never expressed this to their customers. They never said they made their coffee hotter than normal, hotter than any other McDonald's. I'm not backing this old lady who sued, but i'm also not backing McDonald's. The old lady ended up getting 2nd degree burns. Have you ever had 2nd degree burns? Damn they hurt :P

Yea, its not as simple as one would think. We looked at this case in our law class. The accident was preventible, in several respects. First off, Make the coffee cooler. Second, If you make it that hot, place a warning, which wasnt done. Third, a better cup design would have helped, as this case is older, and the common design was yet to be designed. BUT, this is an old lady, not that old people dont matter, driving a car, with a cup of coffee in her lap... First off, if she is that old, I dont think she should be driving and opeing a cup of coffee at the same time (i dont anyone should try to juggle with opening a cup of coffee while driving, at a stop sign is better). Then, she had it in her lap (in between legs)... Doesnt that sound stupid? placing a hot cup of coffee between your legs? So what it boils down to is: Mcdonalds could have had a better cup design, and a warning.Plus, the lady shouldnt have been trying to open a hot cup of coffee while she was driving, plus, she had it between her legs, which is rather dumd. Verdict: Give $1 to Old lady for moral vistory, and recomend a better cup design/packaging to McDonalds.

On this case however, Its rather stupid. If this person is to sue Apple (who sucks BTW) for hearing loss from the MP3 player, they need to sue all other MP3 player maker companies. So this narrows it down to its not Apples fault, but would be the industry's problem. Now that sueing Apple is out of the way, lets see why people cant sue because of hearing loss. On the MP3 player are volume controlls, using these effectivley can prevent hearing loss, so with the volume controll you can save or kill your hearing. Now, if Apple didnt include a volume controll mechanism, he could sue for not having the choice of sound level. Since there is a vollume controll, you cant complain that here was no alternative. Now, if you worked in a noisy place, thats a different storry, but for this storry, the person is a dumb ass.
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Old 2006-02-03, 06:57 PM   [Ignore Me] #7
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Ok to get it straight, she wasnt driving she was in passenger seat and parked. Her son was driving I believe, secondly she got 3rd degree burns and had to have treatment for 2 years. Thirdly McDonalds was serving coffee at over 170 degrees F and at that temp. 3rd degree burns are cause within 2-7 seconds, she had cotton pants on so when it was spilled her pants soaked it up and continued to burn her for over 90 seconds.
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Old 2006-02-03, 07:00 PM   [Ignore Me] #8
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Originally Posted by Lartnev
On the back of a packet of KP Peanuts: "Warning, may contain nuts"

That is pretty sad
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Old 2006-02-04, 09:37 PM   [Ignore Me] #9
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God I hate people who can't take responsibility for their own self-destructive actions. Common sense. Loud music can damage your hearing. Foods full of grease and fat can increase your chances of high blood pressure and heart attack/stroke. Coffee is hot. Don't spill it on you. Sure there are limits. Companies shouldn't make devices that will destroy your hearing in seconds, fast food companies shouldn't make foods obscenely fatty (demonstrated in the most recent episode of "The Boondocks ), and coffee makers shouldn't make it ridiculously hot. The bottom line is, manufacturers need to be responsible for making a product that isn't absurdly dangerous, and consumers need to be responsible for using said product in a safe way.

With stuff like iPods and fast food at least consumers have the choice limit any health-damaging effects, (turn down the volume / go eat a carrot), whereas the coffee-burn arguement holds some truth. I still think if you're going to buy something hot, its your job not to spill it all over yourself. (Says the kid who spills hot coffee over himself all the damn time)
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Old 2006-02-04, 10:17 PM   [Ignore Me] #10
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McDonnalds was at fault in that case because their coffee was dangerously hot, you don't get 3rd degree burns from spilling any old coffee on your lap.

McDonalds also said during discovery that, based on a consultants
advice, it held its coffee at between 180 and 190 degrees fahrenheit to
maintain optimum taste. He admitted that he had not evaluated the
safety ramifications at this temperature. Other establishments sell
coffee at substantially lower temperatures, and coffee served at home is
generally 135 to 140 degrees.

Further, McDonalds' quality assurance manager testified that the company
actively enforces a requirement that coffee be held in the pot at 185
degrees, plus or minus five degrees. He also testified that a burn
hazard exists with any food substance served at 140 degrees or above,
and that McDonalds coffee, at the temperature at which it was poured
into styrofoam cups, was not fit for consumption because it would burn
the mouth and throat. The quality assurance manager admitted that burns
would occur, but testified that McDonalds had no intention of reducing
the "holding temperature" of its coffee.

Plaintiffs' expert, a scholar in thermodynamics applied to human skin
burns, testified that liquids, at 180 degrees, will cause a full
thickness burn to human skin in two to seven seconds. Other testimony
showed that as the temperature decreases toward 155 degrees, the extent
of the burn relative to that temperature decreases exponentially. Thus,
if Liebeck's spill had involved coffee at 155 degrees, the liquid would
have cooled and given her time to avoid a serious burn.

McDonalds asserted that customers buy coffee on their way to work or
home, intending to consume it there. However, the companys own research
showed that customers intend to consume the coffee immediately while
driving.
Yeah people think coffe is hot and don't want to spill it, but no one thinks your going to get 3rd Degree burns from it.
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Old 2006-02-04, 10:39 PM   [Ignore Me] #11
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Thus, it's McDonald's responsibility to keep it at a temperature that won't cause serious damage, and your responsibility from there not to spill it.
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Old 2006-02-05, 02:36 PM   [Ignore Me] #12
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Old 2006-02-07, 07:16 AM   [Ignore Me] #13
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Sometimes I wonder if people have brains hmm lets see if you listen to your Ipod loud all the time your going to Fuck your hearing Retards
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Old 2006-02-07, 01:35 PM   [Ignore Me] #14
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Apple can't win.

Allow people to crank up the volume and they'll sue for deafness. Force people to listen to quiet music and they'll be sued for prejudice against deaf people
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