In this episode of AGN Instant Action Hamma talks about some major problems with PlanetSide 2 which mostly touches on lack of a meta game. This video was born from this thread which we encourage everyone to read.
Hit up the comments thread or the comments on YouTube and let us know what you think. Check Avon Brochure and Builders Warehouse Specials. And don't forget to subscribe to our channel and never miss another video again!
415 comments
2012-12-24 02:01 PM
Latest Comments
| 2013-01-04 02:08 AM | ||
| Archonzero |
Re: Huge Outfits and PlanetSide 2 PS1 strategically speaking, had everything.. well maybe not everything. It did have a lot of things done right, generally speaking, they had 3-4 years of development to get a proper metagame in place and a game that ran 10 years. There is a desperate need to establish a lattice system to the current adjacency system. As it is.. one side attacks, the other reacts. Other than eyes on the ground, a faction that is communicating effectively amidst it's playerbase/ outfits (to which there really isn't that much, outside of a few outfits) there is no real concept for the faction as a whole as to where the next attack is going or coming from until it happens. Not saying there are no players that can strategically speaking figure out, but as a game design overlay there is none. Most organized defense is purely a reactionary action inside the current PS2 framework. The addition of a lattice system linking the large + major facilities in an unlock/lock web while leaving the midsized/smaller outposts as resource only options, SOE can add a strategic depth to the game. That will allow faction members to draw their own tactical/strategic initiatives based on what is happening when an where. Coupled with active eyes reconnoitering the active areas, squad leaders, platoon commanders an leaders can get a decent strategic concept as to the flow of the battle an establish proper counters or defensive measures to stem or defeat a steamrolling assault before it's even hit their main lines. Smaller outfits and groups can maintain control of and flow of resources, while larger groups can maintain the attack/defense over the strategic inroads of held territories. |
|
| 2013-01-04 12:58 PM | ||
| Crator |
Re: Huge Outfits and PlanetSide 2
|
|
| 2013-01-04 01:02 PM | ||
| p0intman |
Re: Huge Outfits and PlanetSide 2
http://www.planetside-universe.com/s...ad.php?t=46776 |
|
| 2013-01-04 01:27 PM | ||
| ringring |
Re: Huge Outfits and PlanetSide 2 I think that when I started (May 2004) all the continents and caves were present. After that point all I recall is warpgate transforming into broadcast warpgates when the appropriate conditions were met, BFR's, Scout rifle, Dragon and Scorpion, Capital Shields with a couple of iterations and merits. Of course, br20 was increased to BR25 after a couple of years and then to BR40 after a few more. But that was it (I think). All the important stuff was in within 1 year of launch. On the downside, the game was very very unstable for many years. In fact more unstable than I think PS2 is now. |
|
| 2013-01-04 01:28 PM | ||
| ringring |
Re: Huge Outfits and PlanetSide 2 Holy Double-post Batman! |
|
| 2013-01-04 05:51 PM | ||
| Hamma |
Re: Huge Outfits and PlanetSide 2
|
|
| 2013-01-04 07:21 PM | ||
| Malacovics |
Re: Huge Outfits and PlanetSide 2 My whole outfit has 32 members, about 15-20 actively. We focus on Esamir, on Cobalt (EU)... I know the pain you feel man.. We can only pretty much solo regions again and again, and then accidentaly hop into another Air zerg, existing of 20 fighters that rapes us, or we randomly bump into 15 prowlers... Being part of a small outfit isnt fun and neither worth it both time and XP wise in the current state of the game. |
|
| 2013-01-04 08:44 PM | ||
| Archonzero |
Re: Huge Outfits and PlanetSide 2
Yea poorly quoted quote on my part, it was 6am in the morning an I had been up for almost 24 hours, brain wasn't fully oxygenated. I meant 8-10 years of running, with the 3-4 years of actual game dev content. The lattice system was not up during beta it took a while before implementation, somewhere during the first year after launch, even then still had plenty of tweaking an fixes after. Still PS1 had a metagame, with clear idea of reward/structure ability for commanders, not simply just the mantle to whomever decided to bark the orders an spent 100 certs to use /order. They had additional tools to mark + draw on the map for all the faction to read, communicate in a separate channel, as well had skills an functions with the CT to affect the actual battlefield. Reading the map could give anyone an idea of how the battlers were going, hotspot battle markers turned up relatively quick an updated themselves fairly soon if things rapidly changed. You could tell how much of a base was compromised by looking at the map, you could see the outlying facilities (ie towers) that were under enemy control, all the way from the sanctuaries. This game is completely new-player unfriendly. Pick your faction, get a brief debriefing then pretty much instant action right into a meatgrinder battle. You don't drop down on friendly lines, just right into the meatgrinder, no idea of what does what, no class selection, no loadout review, no keybind setups. Simply thrown to the wolves. I have had many fellow gamers, first time planetside/fps players that have downloaded the game at my word of it being a great game, only to never bothered with the title again after that first experience. It strikes me the only ones who manage to stick with it, are players who have a friend waiting in game for them to act as a mentor/guide, experienced FPS twitch players that can adapt quickly to the environment. Even then, I've still had 4 fps experienced friends never look back to this title, due to a clear lack of game direction, information, customization, or variety. |
|
| 2013-01-05 09:49 AM | ||
| The Degenatron |
Re: Huge Outfits and PlanetSide 2 Hey Hamma, after watching your video and then later reading BuzzCut's big post, I decided to put together a list of fixes that I'd like to see implemented. Many of which directly address the concerns you both raised. I'd appreciate it if you'd read it over and let me know what you think. Here's the link. That also goes for everybody who sees this. When I first posted it sank like a stone so I'm trying to get some feedback going on it. |
|
| 2013-01-05 10:06 AM | ||
| FireWater |
Re: Huge Outfits and PlanetSide 2 Well we were getting attacked by Let the Brit Drop and DVS last night, we managed to hold a lot of the continent, and was able to counter cap after they lost a lot of assests. |
|
| 2013-01-05 03:22 PM | ||
| Blynd |
Re: Huge Outfits and PlanetSide 2
/+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0 
|
|
| 2013-01-05 04:44 PM | ||
| p0intman |
Re: Huge Outfits and PlanetSide 2 The Guard is in a bad place atm. Not my place to say how bad or anything, but this situation with the game cannot persist and something must budge, or small tactical outfits that pride ourselves on personal skills and group tactics over large numbers will slowly, but most certainly cease to exist. This is as close to an ultimatum as I ever want to make, but it needs to be said: Higby, Clegger and those that ran with us, do something... anything that shows us you're not putting a knife in our back. We showed you our tactics, we had you on comms with us, in squad with us and in our outfit in beta. You know how important personal skill is to us, and this situation just smacks of using all of that against small outfits like ours. Now, more than ever, prove to me that I'm wrong. Dont give me a reason to say I told you so. I voiced displeasure when it was mentioned any of you joined our outfit. Was I right? Did we make a mistake with that? |
|
| 2013-01-05 09:46 PM | ||
| Crator |
Re: Huge Outfits and PlanetSide 2
|
|
| 2013-01-06 04:14 PM | ||
| Wandering Mania |
Re: Huge Outfits and PlanetSide 2 One major problem with the game in a whole not just outfit size. Is that in PS1 most of all the bigger bases where in enclosed arieas that forced people out of there tanks/aircraft. The it was hallway defence/potrolls. I miss those most of all because some of those hallway fights where some of the best fights ever in the entire history of planetside. The PS2 bases all of them are way to open and every spawn room is spamable by aircraft/tanks. At least in PS1 people would either kill the Spawn Tubes or kill the base genarator to stop the spawning there. Shure some on the new bases have the SCU but on the smaller outposts there is a masive spawn camp every time. |
|
| 2013-01-06 08:56 PM | ||
| Archonzero |
Re: Huge Outfits and PlanetSide 2 Stumbled across this Alpha footage of base layout/design? 
|
|
