Please no one button kill quick knives in Planetside 2! - Page 5

megamold · 2011-07-17, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by headcrab13

I'd prefer it if knives did minimal damage from the front, double damage from the back, and also had a "charged" attack where you could hold down the mouse button for 2-3 seconds behind an unsuspecting victim for a finishing move.

-HC13

i am 100% against 1 hit knife kills , but if we do get a quick knife with a type of system like headcrab describes i would be able to live with that

but i think this will also be one of those things we will get a vote on once launch comes

Bing · 2011-07-18, 06:56 PM

Sneaking up on somebody and successfully murdering them with the knife has always been one of the most exciting, heart pumping experiences I've had in Planetside and indeed any game, and it has been that satisfying the many years I've played.
I always felt the knife was hard to get kills with, but in a world filled with heavily armored soldiers with advanced guns, shouldn't it be?
I'm still for the knife being an equipped weapon as before, but I do recognize that it can't be its own dedicated play style as it is now. If that's what the devs intend or not, I don't know.

Kitija · 2011-07-18, 07:35 PM

You are all absolutely overthinking this knife thing.
If it was a quickkill 1 shot knife this ability would only be given to the infiltrator class you would have to be behind them and combo'ed with a headshot. and you would most likely have to spec into it.. (as long as were all saying what we think it should be)

knife fights for grunts and other fodder would be the same as PS

megamold · 2011-07-18, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Kitija

You are all absolutely overthinking this knife thing.
If it was a quickkill 1 shot knife this ability would only be given to the infiltrator class you would have to be behind them and combo'ed with a headshot. and you would most likely have to spec into it.. (as long as were all saying what we think it should be)

knife fights for grunts and other fodder would be the same as PS

that does sound like a logical way for the knife the work

**Malorn** · 2011-07-18, 08:23 PM

Weapon-switch delay is an important tradeoff in games. Making a weapon exempt from that is just dumb.

1) You have a delay when switching with every weapon, why is the knife suddenly faster? You still need to holster the weapon and draw the knife, just like you'd do with anything else.

2) From a gameplay perspective it is just cheesy. Knives should be used for stealth or as a last resort. In either case its' a conscious decision and when stealth isn't required there shouldn't be any reason a Knife is more appealing than say a pistol at close range.

3) It detracts from weapons that might have built-in melee effectiveness, such as a bayonette. Weapons with alternate fire modes that have bayonettes have an advantage in melee - that's the point. The advantage is you dont' have the delay between going melee weapon or shooting because you can simply stab. Melee-effectiveness is an advantage that can be given to certain weapons, or even be used as a weapon attachment or upgrade. Q

I can see why quick knives became popular (comedy, people like stabbing, knife kills are humiliating, etc). But I do not think it is a good game mechanic. It's bad and detracts from gameplay in general and limits options for weapon attachments/differentiation.

I'd like to see equip-knife only in conjunction with melee attachments to weapons as infantry upgrades that have quick-knife like effectiveness in a way that makes sense and offers real tradeoff value.

Traak · 2011-07-18, 09:22 PM

If there are "headshot one shot kills" for snipers, then there has to be "Throat cut one shot kills" for knife-wielders.

You can't shriek about how wonderful and fabulous headshots are then whine and gibber about how bad it would be to, by the same token, not be insta-killed when someone cuts your throat from ear to ear, or jams the blade into your brains.