The NC Jackhammer. The last straw.

[TeraHertz]

It takes a full magazine from the lasher to kill somone on full health. We all have to ready and reload our weapons. The JAckhammer gets about 16 shots. As proven today, every single one of those shots can kill. Jackasses, sorry jackhammers, don't need to reaload nearly as much as a lasher carrier. So what's your point about everyone being sitting ducks? If thats a an attempt at defence of the Jackhammer, sorry but

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(you'll have to try better than that)

[1024]

stop whining and play the game. it can't that overpowered, or half the pop would be NC and we would have 5 conts locked all the time.

[Bismarck]

Originally Posted by TeraHertz

It takes a full magazine from the lasher to kill somone on full health. We all have to ready and reload our weapons. The JAckhammer gets about 16 shots. As proven today, every single one of those shots can kill. Jackasses, sorry jackhammers, don't need to reaload nearly as much as a lasher carrier. So what's your point about everyone being sitting ducks? If thats a an attempt at defence of the Jackhammer, sorry but

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Lol, lasher will kill a full health rexo in alot less than 20 shots (full clip).
The tri burst will kill any thing in one shot, but its hard to get most of the pellets to hit its target. I dont mind aim-botters, that just means they suck and they wont know I'm there before theyre dead.
JH isnt all that people crack it up to be. And you guys who said NC and TR cheat, yeah sure, every single one of the thousands of people cheat. Get real.

Use agile + sweeper + surge, it'll take down most JH users, unless you totally suck.

[Mognoc]

Here is what happened to you with the jackhammer (I have not read all the other posts here) you had the lag, so it seemed like he shot you only once, but in reality, he shot you with the 3 shot burst, which *can* kill an Agile if all three hit. You had lag and therefore didn't hear all of the shots. (Just my interpretation) And 20 shots with a lasher not dropping health at all? Maybe in your own little dreamworld, and maybe if you were shooting a MAX on standard bullets (Non-AP). I get killed by lashers all the time. Besides, most of the time I get killed while using the JackHammer is when I'm running up close so I can actually HIT my target with it, I'm running up to be able to actually hit them and then I get mowed down by the other guy when I'm just running at him. And you don't hear us NC bitching about how the Lasher wielders can kill you by shooting the ground, do you?

[Strak]

My 2 cents on it. Why do a few VS players carry lashers, and why do practically all NC guys do. I mean I come around the corner and see like I estimated 15 NCs coming down in rexo and I think ahh crap and click the screen shot. I go back l8r and count 8 NC in rexo coming down the stair, 6 carrying jackhammers, I can't recall seeing that many lashers going off in one place.

The Shotgun effect is another point I can survice long enough with a supressor to put a fair # of rounds into a chain gunner cause I circle the guy, with an NC jackhammer. Nope. Death instantly. The thing fires stupidly fast.

As for a ready time of 1.5 seconds where he is a sitting duck...you mean like every other weapon. Oh wait we have to actually reload and that takes like 2 seconds so.....We kill a guy, wait 2 seconds to reload, kill a guy wait to seconds to reload, kill a guy wait to seconds to reload. the NC go BOOM, ready 1.5 BOOM ready 1.5 BOOM ready 1.5 BOOM.

No other empire has a gun that can stand against it in close combat as far as I am concerned. Nothing else pisses me off more than jackhammers.

[SecondRaven]

If you hate the jackhammer so much go complain to the Dev Tera

[Kikinchikin]

JH sux IMO. I use all the other HA weapons before it. Don't get me wrong I dislike the weapon, but it is a valid weapon. I'll use it too just for variety, but i love my MCG more than the hammer or even the lasher. Maelstrom, thats a different story.

/me huggles maelstrom

[Phaden]

1. There is no way that someone originally said that the NC all cheat. Thats crap, and you know it.

2. I dont se the Jackhammer, never have, never will. Its just not my style.

3. Im NC and i think the surge agile armour is a little cheap.

4. NC has better armour you say? Where can i get some. Oh and BTW, that little health/armour bar, thats just a health bar. So you have no idea what damage its doing to the armour. And yes, a lasher kills you plenty quick.

5. Lashers not being used as much? Maybe so, check dicepoint. But take note, when my outfitmates and I (many of which have Jackhammer/HA) get in the "shit" They pull out the lashers and spam right back. Sure you can tote that off to variety, but personally i owuld rather have a MCG or a lasher, im more of a long range guy.

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stop whining and play the game. it can't that overpowered, or half the pop would be NC and we would have 5 conts locked all the time.

Oh wait, did i not just see NCbeing the population with the least? Oh i guess i must be imagining things again. And its not like they have dropped from pwning all your whining asses, to actually being competitive.

7. Aiming at you before he came in? Its been explained already but let me reiterrate: Audio Amp. Why do you think cloakers have such trouble since they show up on map with interlink facil? Thats because people like me( a cloaker myself) watch that map. And next time you come in a CC room, you better not aim where you had the last enemy contact or ill rant and whine as well.

8. I think i got everything.

[Veteran]

Surge is what is breaking Heavy Assault. Remove that from the game and all the sudden the game isn't nearly as cheap. I honestly believe that Surge is single-handedly ruining PlanetSide for lots of people.

Seriously, Surge is cheap. Big time. So a huge percentage of NC use Jackhammer. The more pertinent fact is that all of them that are br6 or above use Surge. All of them.

[Phaden]

But see, then theres people that use surge instead of vehicles. Like infil suits who need to get REALLY CLOSE tot here targets to take them witha pistol. And the speed is very useful for dodging reaver missles in any armour, or just plain escaping from something.

I totally understand Veteran, why your saying what your saying and i do support it to a degree, but i think that infils have had it hard enough.

[Rarzo]

Ok, well it's obvious that we always go with our empire. So, I want to see one NC say that they think the JH is unfair, and I want to see a VS or TR say it is fair.
The JH has the advantage of fast firing strong bursts

The Mini-chaingun fires very fast and bullets

The Lasher has ummm... uhhh... When you fire it, it lights up the room? Well, other than that it doesn't do much...

Lets say you put 3 peaple in a small room. Each person has one of the 3 heavy assault weapons. The people all are equally good. The winner would obviously be the man with the JH. Now, if you put them far away in a large field. The JH would die quickly and The TR and VS would duke it out. And thats my opinion on the subject...

[Kikinchikin]

I am TR. Jackhammer is fair. I don't like it, but its on par with our MCG and the VS lasher. If you are getting killed way more than you are killing, you need to hone some skills. I play all three empires and I actually like the MCG most, perhaps because i play TR much more than all the others, or more likely because it suits me more. I have stopped looting weapons for the most part, if i can get a safe place to do it I will, but I no longer risk my life for a JH or lasher, altho i will for a maelstrom

Edit: and you are wrong about the room thing. The lasher guy would win, because of the lash damage. He would just need to fire continously and strafe. However if one of the other two did not die after the first clip, then whoever was left would win

[Hamma]

No good can come of threads like this.

If you ask a VS or NC about the MCG they would tell you its uber, if you ask the TR or VS about the jackhammer they will say its uber. If you ask the TR or NC about teh lasher they would say its uber.

Its all about what empire your on, unfortunatly thats what it comes down to.

As for the NC being the devs pets, I dont think so. At one point people thought the TR were the devs pets. Fact is they play all empires - what good would they get out of making one empire uber.

[MuNsTeR]

first of all, the NC is based on brute force, and also the lasher can lash so you dont have to lead the target as much.. the mcg is the only one that i think takes some skill

[Katanaboy]

Originally Posted by HaMbOWN

first of all, the NC is based on brute force, and also the lasher can lash so you dont have to lead the target as much.. the mcg is the only one that i think takes some skill

Just try getting direct hits with the lasher in combat outdoors...just try. And i happen to love the MCG, in my opinion its the one that is most balanced, finally.