Darkligher vs Infiltrator - Page 3

Smaug · 2003-06-21, 11:01 PM

Seriously infils, why all the whining? You have the biggest advantage in the whole game! You can't be seen! How do you think normal exos feel when they get killed by an infil. They don't say awww man stupid infil suits they need to be nerfed, too many cloak spammers. Well some might, but I say good job. So get creative, don't just run into people and expect not to get killed. Yeah they have dlight so what thats the fun of the game, 1 against 1. On a different note I think its hilarious when an infil tries to knife me(sniper). As soon as I hear the knife buzz I unzoom, run to the right, turn on dlight and pop them in the head with BD. One hit kill.

MilitantB0B · 2003-06-21, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by 2coasts
I agree, there are times when you cannot help being caught, times when you cant explain how the enemy saw you. But then ofcourse there are the other times where the enemy runs right into you, stops, takes 1 step to the left or right and keeps running

I don't mean to double post, but I just saw this.
Sometimes, I think the reason I get caught is that people are using the poor-mans darklight. The poor-mans darklight is when you think there is a infiltrator, but you don't know where, so you spray down every corner with lead until on drops over dead. Thats why I always keep my infiltrator out of corners. in fact, sometimes the safest place to be is right next to the enemy. One time I was sneaking my way into a AMS bubble, someone saw me, I fired a couple of shot, so did he, but I ran away. He gets his equipment and procceds to hose down every part inside the bubble with lead, except my spot. Why? Because I was right next to a mostion sensor and he didn't want the grief. I waited till he was confident I was gone, hacked it, and drove it away.

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Seriously infils, why all the whining? You have the biggest advantage in the whole game! You can't be seen! How do you think normal exos feel when they get killed by an infil. They don't say awww man stupid infil suits they need to be nerfed, too many cloak spammers. Well some might, but I say good job. So get creative, don't just run into people and expect not to get killed. Yeah they have dlight so what thats the fun of the game, 1 against 1. On a different note I think its hilarious when an infil tries to knife me(sniper). As soon as I hear the knife buzz I unzoom, run to the right, turn on dlight and pop them in the head with BD. One hit kill.

The thing is that every thing in this game has a counter, I am willing to deal with that. The only thing is that every other counter has something to do with skill. A tank can still kill a AV soldier, if he is more skilled then the soldier. A reaver can still take out a AA MAX if he is more skilled then the MAX. A infiltraotr is pretty much dead when they are confronted with a DarkLighter. It is a skilless counter to, perhaps the games most skilled position. yes, you can hit him with a jammer, but then he just uses the poor mans DL ilistrated above. I personally am fine with DarkLight, if it weren't for the fact that EVERY soldier above BR6 has it. Improve the other implants and give people an alternative. By the by, I am not complaining, just illistrating a problem I have spent the better part of my time in this game dealling with.

�io · 2003-06-21, 11:11 PM

Wait you were beside a motion sensor and he didn't see you ?

MilitantB0B · 2003-06-21, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by �io
Wait you were beside a motion sensor and he didn't see you ?

Nope, motion sensor only detects motion.

And only fast motion at that, crouch-walk and your set.

Smaug · 2003-06-22, 12:24 AM

I see what you mean bob, but if there wasn't a dlight in the game then almost everyone would be infil. Then it wouldn't be the dreaded sniper-side but it would be cloaker-side. I have no idea how you could make dlight more skill oriented? Still you are right, we need some more kick ass implants

MilitantB0B · 2003-06-22, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by Smaug
I see what you mean bob, but if there wasn't a dlight in the game then almost everyone would be infil. Then it wouldn't be the dreaded sniper-side but it would be cloaker-side. I have no idea how you could make dlight more skill oriented? Still you are right, we need some more kick ass implants

There really is no way to make it skill oriented, and I don't want cloaker-side as much as the next guy, but right now there is very little choices if you want a good implant. Most people pick up darklight even if they have never had a problem with cloakers before just because most of the other ones suck. Make the other ones suck, you won't see so much darklight.

2coasts · 2003-06-22, 12:29 AM

wow surge is really really effective as an inf

it allows you to outrun spitfires, to cut down your visibility time, and to run right into a heated battle with very little chance of being seen, i cant explain it but its wonderfull

Jaged · 2003-06-22, 04:33 AM

I guess bob is right, there is a problem w/ darklight. Mabey if they made it use more stamina, or better yet, not allow the user to see non cloaked people while it is on!

Streamline · 2003-06-22, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by �io
Negative, that's SpaceDrake a.k.a. Lise.

I do use a chick avatar. I think thats obvious by my sig.

�io · 2003-06-22, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by Stream|ine
I do use a chick avatar. I think thats obvious by my sig.

Yeah but that's nothing, heck 98% of the female characters are dudes.

SpaceDrake is the only one i know (so far) crazy enough to post in the community as a gurl.

Madcow · 2003-06-22, 08:03 PM

Please, give me dark light and being visible to snipers again. This silent nerf on infil is dirty pool, and completely took the fun out of playing an infil char. You're fixing the bug that allowed snipers to see cloaked chars by making it so everybody can see cloaked chars? How does this make the slightest lick of sense? The only way to be invisible now is to be completely still, which is also a fantastic way of dying constantly. Even a crouch walk makes you visible to anybody bothering to take in their surroundings even a little bit. I was really starting to enjoy my infil char, I don't plan on logging him on again unless/until they actually fix this. I guess at least I still have my main char, but it's interesting that people were complaining that DL was making it too difficult to play an infil and now they've made it so only an idiot would bother to spend the implant to get DL. If you can't see an infil now, you're in sorry shape.

MilitantB0B · 2003-06-22, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by Madcow
Please, give me dark light and being visible to snipers again. This silent nerf on infil is dirty pool, and completely took the fun out of playing an infil char. You're fixing the bug that allowed snipers to see cloaked chars by making it so everybody can see cloaked chars? How does this make the slightest lick of sense? The only way to be invisible now is to be completely still, which is also a fantastic way of dying constantly. Even a crouch walk makes you visible to anybody bothering to take in their surroundings even a little bit. I was really starting to enjoy my infil char, I don't plan on logging him on again unless/until they actually fix this. I guess at least I still have my main char, but it's interesting that people were complaining that DL was making it too difficult to play an infil and now they've made it so only an idiot would bother to spend the implant to get DL. If you can't see an infil now, you're in sorry shape.

The only changes made recently to the infiltration suit is a good one, it took down the likely hood of being sniped, nothing was changed in how people up close saw you. If you thik people can spot infiltrators to easy, then it has always been like that to you, cause nothing has changed. Cna you please explain what you mean by this?

Madcow · 2003-06-23, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by MilitantB0B

The only changes made recently to the infiltration suit is a good one, it took down the likely hood of being sniped, nothing was changed in how people up close saw you. If you thik people can spot infiltrators to easy, then it has always been like that to you, cause nothing has changed. Cna you please explain what you mean by this?

When I did a crouch walk before this patch and checked myself in 3rd person, I was barely (if at all) visible. Now if I do a crouch walk and check myself I'm incredibly visible. I am seeing enemy infil crouch walking around all the time, this is something I wasn't seeing before. As far as the likelihood of being sniped, I thought that was a bit annoying before but in a short game session today I was easily sniped more than I've been all month and each time was during a crouch walk. The infil suit is absolutely more visible than it has ever been, and it's not making for fun times. I've also had a few occasions of standing still and getting creamed, but from what I've read on the official board there's some sort of glitch which occasionally cuts out the infil suit (which is nice in itself).

Streamline · 2003-06-23, 09:12 PM

I killed alot of crouchwalkers yesterday. I'm inclined to agree with the aligations. And i did alot of it with a pulsar at 4x zoom.

I had to get DL recently for doing base and tower sweeps. After getting killed while reloading mid-field. I starting just flicking it on and doing a quick 360 before trying to repair or reload. Sometimes i just flick it on for the fun of it just incase i'm being stocked. It's like if you have DL and a stealther knows you aren't afraid to use it just for kicks. He'll let you go. Cuz it's just not worth it.

Phorcy · 2003-06-23, 10:10 PM

Something really needs to be done with this.

I was on vaction for 2 weeks. Came back and it seems everyone under the sun has DL now. Making it nearly impossible to stay alive very long. Starting to get annoying.

Good idea with offering more Implants, as for the sniper bug - really ticks me off to crouch across a battlefield only to be sniped off due to a bug.

Hopefully something comes of this soon.

v/r