Dev's definently don't play TR (warning rant) - Page 4

SandTrout · 2003-09-29, 04:21 PM

Um, Chewey, they did nerf the JackHammer, although only slightly.

ChewyLSB · 2003-09-29, 04:41 PM

I realized that. But in my opinion, it's still not enough. And besides, there's still the MCG ammo problem.

BUGGER�GHO�T · 2003-09-29, 05:30 PM

Balance part of the thread: yea this next patch really sounds like its turning down the volume on the TR, i remember reading it somewhere that TR's (whatever item it was) was not even balanced with the NC and VS's things. And TR itself right now aint doing too well either. i dunno, but if TR suddenly dies and VS and NC only fight, we all know who we can thank. (my theory alone, I know I could be wrong many ways, no flame.)

As for the flame war in the middle of the thread: how the hell did this start-OVER GRAMMAR?

/edit/ they nerfed the jackhammer!!!!! IN YOUR FACE NC!

Happy lil Elf · 2003-09-29, 06:48 PM

... whatever.

Um, yeah, whatever...I guess...

I play TR, and I use the striker, but I am glad that it is getting a nerf. It was ridiculously overpowered, but I can see where people are coming from.

Yeah, pretty much.

The thing is, the best way to counter tanks (excluding the lightning, obviously), is with your own empire's tanks. But then comes the issue... the Prowler blew! You needed three people to operate it, and the damage rate was below the Vanguard's. However, this new patch will seem to even it out.

The more I think about the changes in damage output on the Prowler the more curious I am about how drastic the changes are. I could easily see this as going too far on the balancing, but I can also see how the armor difference are going to play into it. I dunno, it's definately going to be interesting

One thing that I DIDN'T see on that list, however, was a nerf to the JackHammer. Yes, I know, it's a controvertial issue, but COME ON. THREE shots to kill a reinforced? THREE? I mean, WTF is that? It is so amazingly good in close quarters and indoors, and where does most of the action take place? (Surprise surprise!) Indoors!

Number of shots is not the primary determining factor in this balance imo. I'm of the belief total time to kill is the most important thing. In that repsect at least the empires are very close. In the time it takes someone to get those three shots off a MCG wielder, or lasher wielder, can get off enough shots to kill a reinforced as well. It's a trade off when you think about it. With the JH you can potentially kill people easier, but every miss costs you more in terms of your survival by significantly increasing your TTK. With the MCG you can afford to miss more because each shot missed doesn't effect your TTK much, but downing an opponent isn't as easy as with the JH.

Also, another thing, the MCG's ammo problem. Ammo is always a problem for an MCG user. An NC character can have three boxes of pheonix ammo, a row of medpacks, and a row of JackHammer ammo and still be quite content with their ammo, getting almost 6 reloads. However, if an MCG user tries to do that with a striker, they only get TWO reloads. One could argue that they are huge clips, but you chew through them so quickly. Also, it's a slight problem when the actual clip is bigger than the ammo it comes with. I think that if the ammo came in 100 round boxes, it would be better.

The drawback of being a part of the empire who's philosophy is to put as much ammunition in the air as possible? No, you're right though, it's not really balanced. I'm not sure what they could do to change it though. Tossing in 100 rounds per ammo box could significantly change a number of things. For example inventory space just got a lot more roomy for cloakers with AMPs or people using MA weapons. Tough call. Maybe a new type of ammo for the MCG only? Of course that would leave only the JH with an ammo type that every empire can purchase which is also unfair. Meh /shrug I'll let others answer that question, I prefer driving a tank

SilverLord · 2003-09-30, 09:53 AM

The devs did nerf the JH. If I remember correctly it says JackHammer damage decreased (very) slightly.

ChewyLSB · 2003-09-30, 03:26 PM

Elf, that's what I was thinking. A special type of ammo for the MCG only. As for the JackHammer... um. Screw them! They don't need a special type of ammo.

Happy lil Elf · 2003-09-30, 04:41 PM

Well while I'm inclinded to agree with you, mostly because I don't really care either way, I can see how that would suck. The Lasher? Gotta get ammo from some random VS. The MCG? Gotta get ammo from some random TR. The Jackhammer? Just stop by an equip terminal on your way out. It'd be unfair in a sense /shrug

ZEU5 · 2003-10-01, 01:23 PM

Why I play TR on every other server.

1. Pounder
2. Cycler
3. Repeater

Niether the pounder or cycler takes any skill to rack up kills with. Can't wait for the minichain gun COF reduction and ROF increase. I'll be mowing people down on every server except emerald (NC there)

How is it that I can get over 100 kills in 2 hours with a BR6 TR character and only get 20-50 kills in the same time with my BR19 NC character? Easy...POUNDER...CYCLER...POUNDER...CYCLER!

All I have to do with the cycler is point and spray...the COF won't expand till long after the enemy is dead.

And now the pounder is going to have it's ROF increased...and splash radius (not damage) decreased slightly.

To even hear a TR crying about his little striker is just plain funny to me.

kthxbyebye

Liquidtide · 2003-10-01, 01:53 PM

Ok Ok Ok....

I have had enough TR talk about the striker, time to talk about the Gauss..... WTF!?! No balance for that? This things COF is so bad it makes it practically useless... as an NC the only reason I have medium assault is so I can have sniping and special assault. Since I don't use Reinforced Suit I only carry either Bolt Driver, Thumper, or Decimator... If I had Reinforced I might carry the Gauss as a side arm. But I don't think it's up to the level it needs to be for an Empire Specific weapon.

my 2 cents

~Tide

Infernus · 2003-10-01, 03:33 PM

On regards to the MCG ammo comment: I couldn't agree more with you. The MCG is my favorite gun in the whole game (besides my Striker), and the ammo is the biggest problem I have with it.

On regards to the suggestion of special Heavy Assault weapon ammo: I've always thought that each of the empire's Heavy Assault weapons should have a special type of ammo. The VS have their laser ammo, the TR could have impaler spikes (think like a real gauss rifle), and the NC could have explosive rounds (based on the concept of the shotgun in Unreal II).

On regards to the Striker changes: The Anti Vehicle weapons were not designed to be a single person thing. They were designed to work with 2/3 people each firing their own weapon at the same enemy. It is therefore acceptable that they are giving a slight nerf to damage and you have to aquire target lock first. The only hope I have is that they increase the ammo create capacity to 5 rockets as they increase the clip size to 5 rockets.

Happy lil Elf · 2003-10-01, 03:35 PM

I've never been a fan of the Gauss. Just couldn't get used to how quickly it's CoF expands CoF. It's far from useless though, there are some people who can really rack up kils with that thing.

Infernus · 2003-10-01, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by Happy lil' Elf
It's far from useless though, there are some people who can really rack up kils with that thing.

Um yeah there are... namely the NC that jump out of their Reavers before the plane goes boom. Its killed me many times, but I guess running straight at an enemy firing at you aint to good either...

Nitsch · 2003-10-01, 05:52 PM

The most overpowered weapon is the one that killed you last!

For some reason that weapon is never a beamer.

SandTrout · 2003-10-01, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by Nitsch
The most overpowered weapon is the one that killed you last!

For some reason that weapon is never a beamer.

Yeah, because the beamer would be more useful to a pervert than a soldier.

Nitsch · 2003-10-01, 06:56 PM

Whenever i shoot someone with a beamer, they say to me "Hey! that tickles!"