NC weapons, is it just me? - Page 3

RSphil · 2012-12-10, 04:58 PM

i dont even look at the official forums anymore. they are a joke. soo many idiots and whiners on it iv given up going on.

i have to say i have been shot by alot of TR and their guns seem to rip me apart where as my HA gun seems to need to more shots to kill anyone. if they are all balanced they should all take the same amount time to kill someone. but from playing all the factions NC seems to take the longest and thats with the gun modded to the max. standered TR and VS weapons seem to perform better then the modded NC ones and that can't be correct. some balancing issues still need sorting.

Beerbeer · 2012-12-10, 05:43 PM

People have ulterior motives in anything as subjective and emotional as this game can be.

I won't say all, but most people defending one side over the other have a sincere stake in the matter, in either how it may affect them, negatively or positively.

That, and most people just don't like change.

That's why if they make changes, the perception, on both sides of whatever change occurs, has to be better than the actual change. In other words, say they slightly buff NC, not a lot, but a tiny amount. In totality, the changes slightly tilt things to a more balanced environment (if it is indeed slightly imbalanced, which I suspect it slightly is) but in the eyes of those on the opposite end (and especially those that were most vocal about it), everything will be overblown way out of proportion.

I've said it before, perception of equality is just as, if not more important than actual equality sometimes, especially in this environment, where emotions can run deep. How this can be achieved is the hard part.

Infernalis · 2012-12-10, 05:59 PM

If many people complain then there's a real problem, after that it's always and ultimately up to the developers to do their job and see if there's a real problem or not because like you said you can't fully trust people. The best if they balance this or that is to communicate with the community.

I just hope the devs have some sense of balance and don't take months to do some change.

Ghoest9 · 2012-12-10, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Beerbeer

People have ulterior motives in anything as subjective and emotional as this game can be.

I won't say all, but most people defending one side over the other have a sincere stake in the matter, in either how it may affect them, negatively or positively.

That, and most people just don't like change.

That's why if they make changes, the perception, on both sides of whatever change occurs, has to be better than the actual change. In other words, say they slightly buff NC, not a lot, but a tiny amount. In totality, the changes slightly tilt things to a more balanced environment (if it is indeed slightly imbalanced, which I suspect it slightly is) but in the eyes of those on the opposite end (and especially those that were most vocal about it), everything will be overblown way out of proportion.

I've said it before, perception of equality is just as, if not more important than actual equality sometimes, especially in this environment, where emotions can run deep. How this can be achieved is the hard part.

Essentially no one ever says "I moved to NC because TR(or Vanu) was too hard."
Every forum has plenty of posters saying they tried and moved on from NC because its hard to use the guns.

That is telling.

Chewy · 2012-12-10, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Ghoest9

Essentially no one ever says "I moved to NC because TR(or Vanu) was too hard."
Every forum has plenty of posters saying they tried and moved on from NC because its hard to use the guns.

That is telling.

For giggles I went 5 pages back on the forums and found 4 topics talking/bitching about about UP and OP weapons. (I ignored necro bumps)
http://www.planetside-universe.com/s...ad.php?t=50837
http://www.planetside-universe.com/s...ad.php?t=50977
http://www.planetside-universe.com/s...ad.php?t=50898
http://www.planetside-universe.com/s...ad.php?t=51058

Out of those 4, the top 3 say that NC are UP in one way or another. The 4th says that the NC MAX is OP within a Bio-lab thanks to the shotgun. That should tell people something right there.

I didn't go into every thread in the 5 pages and only opened the ones that had a relevant title, so there are more than likely missed. If someone cares to find ones I missed (ignore necro bumps over a month old, as that was beta) please post them. Id love to see some other UP/OP threads that doesn't talk about the NC.

Till we see other factions post about being UP or saying that other factions are OP at around the same rate as NC then there very well may be something to the claims. I for one say that NC is UP somehow, as they are the ones (on Waterson) that can never hold land without a rather large pop advantage (20%) while others can hold land with around a 10% advantage.

Graywolves · 2012-12-10, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Aurmanite

I've played TR almost exclusively through beta and since launch. Today I wanted to see for myself how the NC guns handled. While I only played for about an hour which isn't really long enough to get a proper feel, I found myself kicking plenty of ass.

As soon as I could I slapped a reflex sight on the SAW and on the carbine and I just went about my business.

I could hardly tell the difference really.

I've been making a point to exclusively use the stock NC6 Gauss SAW and have been floating around a 2.0 K/D

Some players have said they do a lot better with the Carv, I don't doubt them. I think these players are simply holding down the mouse button or not moving their mouse against the recoil. So on the SAW with its slower firerate they hit nothing but with the Carv it's a bit more forgiving since the bullets go through the pattern faster.

That's the conclusion I get from my own testing and the feedback from NC players. There really is nothing wrong with the NC6 Gauss SAW it just seems to be a hard weapon for a lot of people to figure out for whatever reason.

Juryrig · 2012-12-11, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Ghoest9

Essentially no one ever says "I moved to NC because TR(or Vanu) was too hard."
Every forum has plenty of posters saying they tried and moved on from NC because its hard to use the guns.

That is telling.

Pretty much this. It would be one thing if the NC guns were harder to use, but MORE effective once you mastered their idiosyncrasies. You'd still end up with a more 'even' three way player balance, which can only be good for the game.

As it is, it takes time and effort to master them, at which point they are just about as good as the TR and VS weapons are...without making any particular effort with them.

RSphil · 2012-12-11, 10:45 AM

i love the NC and the weapons they use. after messing with TR today they have good weapons also but as with everything they too have problems.

with my NC HA starter weapon modded i can kill from medium to long range easy. close up TR and VS normally win due to their rate of fire and ease of aim. this can get annoying but as this game is it is a game of tactics and picking the fights. i always go into rooms ready to fire and checking corners ect. so i get the jump on people most of the time.
as people have said it is just getting used to the weapons. the TR is no good at range as i found out today. tbf the starter weapon i was using was un modded but it destroyed people in close combat.

i like the feel of the TR but love the look of the NC and im used to feel now. tried VS and just cant get into them. dont like them at all.

im still learning NC and in a game like this with such scope i will never stop learning. so many classes, weapon ect it'll take a while to get my play style just how i like it.

though Nc do need to pull their finger out on Miller lol.