New NC SMG, AF-4 Cyclone, is perfect for LAs and infiltrators.

[Stellarthief]

Originally Posted by TGxCraig

Did you not watch the video? I showed (and talked about) the weapon stats as well as provided a link to the Google Docs page with all the weapon stats.

No Videos blocked at work.

[Sifer2]

Funny in the video it says they don't excel at medium range. But then he kills a Heavy using his shield from the other end of the tower lol.

Still I don't think they look too OP. Except giving them to Infiltrators is silly. Infiltrators already got the Scout Rifles, and will soon probably have access to the new Pistols they are adding. Making them so good in close combat is a mistake IMO. Been trying to avoid having to jump on the IR scope fad as I like to see the world in color but if they keep buffing Infiltrator like this its going to be necessity.

[Utne]

Originally Posted by Sifer2

Funny in the video it says they don't excel at medium range. But then he kills a Heavy using his shield from the other end of the tower lol.

Still I don't think they look too OP. Except giving them to Infiltrators is silly. Infiltrators already got the Scout Rifles, and will soon probably have access to the new Pistols they are adding. Making them so good in close combat is a mistake IMO. Been trying to avoid having to jump on the IR scope fad as I like to see the world in color but if they keep buffing Infiltrator like this its going to be necessity.

I don't think you've tried the scout rifles then. They're absolutely atrocious. Like utterly, utterly terribad.

SMG's are good for infiltrators, I won't deny that, but the kills I've been getting I could easily've been LA and done the same tbh.

I'd rather the entire class became more viable at actual infiltration than this CQC style, but untill that becomes relevant I think infs having SMG's is pretty fair.

Otherwise they're just snipers, and that's just no fun for actual teamplay.

[ShadetheDruid]

Just because the current infiltrator class doesn't support your playstyle, doesn't mean it's a bad class. It's not exactly making us snipers want to support you in getting your stalker cloak option if you keep denying us our place in the game.

[Stellarthief]

Originally Posted by Utne

I don't think you've tried the scout rifles then. They're absolutely atrocious. Like utterly, utterly terribad.

SMG's are good for infiltrators, I won't deny that, but the kills I've been getting I could easily've been LA and done the same tbh.

I'd rather the entire class became more viable at actual infiltration than this CQC style, but untill that becomes relevant I think infs having SMG's is pretty fair.

Otherwise they're just snipers, and that's just no fun for actual teamplay.

I agree.

I also think though that not just with infil, but all classes, needs to be more "alternative" ways to play and contribute instead of just killing. These things should be unique to the class. We have hacking (not enough stuff to hack and not enough important stuff to hack), repairing (enough to repair), medic (enough to heal), but the other classes are left out completely. Without killing enemies there isn't really any contribution that the other classes have and also offer nothing to teamplay besides another gun.

Would like to see them put to some other teamplay/tactical use. Was thinking just for example to get people away from living with their engi/tank/ESF/etc. combo that each class can offer a unique bonus when seated in a vehicle. Just an example, HA can use their personal shields to give vehicles a temporary shield too.

[Nur]

To me SMG seems too strong atm.

I hope they will be nerfed soon as they did for the vulcan turret on prowlers (that WAS OP and now is just normal)

If they nerf the SMG a bit, it's fine.

Now I feel them quite too strong. If as an HA I start thinking to remove my T7 chain gun or my heavy weapon for a SMG there is something that is missing....

Otherwise soon you will see all people with SMG in close quarters

Do you agree?

P.s. I play on CERES, Terran faction

[Utne]

Originally Posted by ShadetheDruid

Just because the current infiltrator class doesn't support your playstyle, doesn't mean it's a bad class. It's not exactly making us snipers want to support you in getting your stalker cloak option if you keep denying us our place in the game.

I'm not sure what you're getting at, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be snipers. They have a purpose, and if people want to play as a sniper I think that's just fine. But as you touched upon earlier(atleast I think it was you?) the current class custimization could allow both play-styles to be a viable choice. I don't think snipers should be neutered, I'd just like other infiltrator play-styles to be more viable aswell.

Originally Posted by Stellarthief

I agree.

I also think though that not just with infil, but all classes, needs to be more "alternative" ways to play and contribute instead of just killing. These things should be unique to the class. We have hacking (not enough stuff to hack and not enough important stuff to hack), repairing (enough to repair), medic (enough to heal), but the other classes are left out completely. Without killing enemies there isn't really any contribution that the other classes have and also offer nothing to teamplay besides another gun.

Yeah, there is room for improvements in this department, absolutely. More important stuff to hack(and then doing actual infiltrating to get there) would be a nice touch. Makes it feel like you're aiding your team.

edit: I'm derailing the topic, sorry.

[ShadetheDruid]

Originally Posted by Utne

I'm not sure what you're getting at, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be snipers. They have a purpose, and if people want to play as a sniper I think that's just fine. But as you touched upon earlier(atleast I think it was you?) the current class custimization could allow both play-styles to be a viable choice. I don't think snipers should be neutered, I'd just like other infiltrator play-styles to be more viable aswell.

Yeah, sorry, my comment wasn't directed at you in particular, I should've clarified. It was more of a general comment on the last few posts.

There's definitely room in the design of the class system for all playstyles, not just for infiltrators but for all classes (though infiltrator is currently the only one I can think of that's missing a major "archetype", except maybe engie). Just gets frustrating when people's reaction to not having their playstyle supported is to shit on people who's playstyle is.

[psijaka]

Originally Posted by Figment

Sadly, that was the previous step in beta. ;p

As a long term infil (again, 8-9 years of PS1 playing 80% of my time as infil), pistols and limited explosives are sufficient. Infils need meaningful objectives to open passages to their allies, sabotage and have some sort of advantage in taking over by stealth.

As someone who has played infil quite a lot in PS2 I would agree with this.

Hacking is occasionally a powerful tool; being able to sneak in, hack a terminal and pull a sunderer at the right time can be a base winner. But this is very situational indeed; usually I'm only making a nuisance of myself by hacking a turret or whatever.

[Stellarthief]

was vehicle hijacking in beta?

Why was this completely left out. vehicle hijacking (cert) and hacking protection (cert) would certainly create a more dynamic environment. Add an element of risk when you exit your vehicle.

You can spawn vehicles like crazy as it is. I'd like to see this put in.

[Hmr85]

Originally Posted by Stellarthief

was vehicle hijacking in beta?

No, it was not in Beta. We are not sure why they left it out but we can only hope that it makes a return at some point later down the road.

[Sturmhardt]

Originally Posted by Ghoest9

The NS11a is one of the worst damage weapons in the game. It trades damage for everything else being nice. Much like the SMGs trade range for everything else being nice.

But if you use the NS11a a lot - no wonder you think this gun is powerful. the The NS11a is another gun designed for below average players where they trade off 1 important trait to get a gun that is much easier to use.

Are you serious? You are saying I'm a bad shot because I can instakill with the smg and use a very accurate ads rifle with low DPS? Hm.

I use these weapons because I like to move while firing and for that purpose those weapons are awesome. This is part of why the SMG is so powerful, because you can move really fast while firing accurately at your opponent. Why you would say someone who uses accurate weapons is a bad shot is beyond me.

.sent via phone.

[Baneblade]

Ghoest9 wouldn't know skill if it spawn camped him off Auraxis.

[Rbstr]

I think the VS SMG is pretty well balanced. I spent most of the weekend using it on most of my classes. It may be a bit better at run and gun close range than the Serpent/VX6 and HV but those weapons out class it spectacularly in outdoorsish medium range situations. It works for me as a shotgun replacement on LA because I find myself just-to-far-for-a-shotgun fairly often.
I like it mainly because it looks and sounds pretty cool.

It's nice to have it as an Infil...Of course I hardly play infil at all. In fights I think they're simply translucent shimmery little balls of experience unless they're sniping. This helps them do a little more. Being a sniper negates hacking which is fairly powerful.
IMO, bring back the ability to shoot or maybe just drop mines and hack while cloaked.

[TGxCraig]

Originally Posted by Utne

edit: I'm derailing the topic, sorry.

Ha. Yea, but there are still a few people talking about the SMGs, so I forgive you.