New SMGs and why the TR one is out of place

[Varsam]

Originally Posted by Rasui

You're entitled to your opinion, but you simply can't take a specialist weapon like an SMG and make it versatile. It's a close range killer through and through.

Sure, both emphasize cqc. But there's no reason not to design them so they have differing levels of effectiveness at different ranges. What you say might be true if the only differences between them were the firing rate and magazine size... but that's not the case at all.

Originally Posted by Rasui

However, if you want to look at it from that perspective. The simple fact that you have the freedom to choose your rail mod without handicapping yourself makes the Sirius superior.

I don't see how that's the case, as the Eridani has access to all the same certs.

[Rasui]

I'll give this one last shot.

Originally Posted by Varsam

Sure, both emphasize cqc. But there's no reason not to design them so they have differing levels of effectiveness at different ranges.

You start off admitting they're close range weapons. Then mention that they COULD design them differently? Huh? Are you trying to make some imaginary counter argument or something? The fact is they DIDN'T design them differently. They're ALL close range bullet hoses that are ineffective past 15m. That's what an SMG is, period. Not my opinion, that's the devs opinion. You even admitted to that in an earlier post.

Originally Posted by Varsam

What you say might be true if the only differences between them were the firing rate and magazine size... but that's not the case at all.

Except it is true, and those are the only relevant differences. Have a look at the stats. The damage difference is only one bullet to the chest and no difference to the head, so that's not a factor. The reload is 0.6 seconds longer, but the magazine size is twice as large. The accuracy stats are literally identical. See where I'm going with this? The differences are negligible/nonexistent or trade-offs. Then we see better velocity, better rate of fire, better recoil, and a better ammo pool.

Originally Posted by Varsam

I don't see how that's the case, as the Eridani has access to all the same certs.

I'll try to make this as simple as possible.

Eridani: Larger mag OR better hip fire

Sirius: Even larger mag AND better hip fire.

[Varsam]

Originally Posted by Rasui

*snip*

Ah. I see the confusion here. This is a classic case of theory vs practice. You're basing your comparison solely on the stats sheet (which, by the way, you overlook one very, very important detail on).

Have you actually spent any appreciable amount of time with both of the SMGs? I have, as I own both, and I can tell you from both experience and statistical data that the Eridani is superior to the Sirius the further away the target is. Why?

Horizontal recoil.

Specifically, left horizontal recoil. The Sirius has it, and the Eridani doesn't. This makes a HUGE difference, because a recoil pattern that moves up and right is relatively easily compensated for by pulling down and left. There is no compensating for recoil going in both directions. There is no non-hacking person in the world who has fast enough reflexes to compensate for per-bullet horizontal recoil when the weapon is just as likely to kick in the opposite direction on the next bullet. This, more than anything else, is the defining difference between the Eridani and the Sirius. The recoil pattern and fire rate of the Sirius both emphasize a cqc range of effectiveness when compared to the Eridani.

So. The claim that they are identical in all aspects other than mag size and hip fire accuracy fails to take into account one crucial detail. The claim about identical hip fire is simply untrue also, as the game data shows that both SMGs have identical values for ADS COF, hip COF, and per-bullet COF bloom.

[Badjuju]

Good overview and amazing artowrk

[Rasui]

Originally Posted by Varsam

*snip*

I wrote up a big long witty response to this but decided against it. The video in the post above this contains everything I've been saying in two separate threads over the last two days. Watch it and agree or disagree, I no longer care.

[Varsam]

Originally Posted by Rasui

I wrote up a big long witty response to this but decided against it. The video in the post above this contains everything I've been saying in two separate threads over the last two days. Watch it and agree or disagree, I no longer care.

1. One of the points in the video used to argue the Sirius' superiority - that the Eridani is incapable of equipping a foregrip - is flat out incorrect. The Eridani is fully capable of equipping a foregrip, which you would know if you owned one, or even bothered to fact check yourself.

2. The video then goes on to validate my stance on the Eridani's superiority outside of cqc.

From this we can conclude that 1) the Eridani is superior to the Sirius at longer ranges (which I said) and 2) the Sirius is superior to the Eridani at closer ranges (again like I said). The assertion that the Eridani is inferior in all capacities is, then, false. Each has their place in game play.

I'd invite you to rebuttle, but apparently you think resolution through debate beneath you.