After being a Premium Member, I gotta say Paying is a big advantage, hidden P2W

[Shogun]

Originally Posted by Forsaken One

The game is p2w now for the simple fact a paying member can spam tanks/air/maxs.

But now non paying members have to get farmed by such while waiting 10-30 minutes or so for their resources to refill.

yep, the last update introduced real p2w.
nothing we can do about it but to rant.

make the game what it deserves to be and i will gladly pay (2 win), but in its current shape, ps2 isn´t worth a subscription.

[zulu]

It seems to me that the recent update has the potential to drastically cut down on MAX and tank spam (though I have yet to see evidence of this), so I think it's great.

Are people seriously suggesting that resource boosts are "pay to win" now, while evidently cert boosts weren't? You can dissemble all you like about that one, but certs are infinitely more useful than resources, and you've been able to increase your cert gain or bypass needing them for new weapons since release.

I have seen players arguing that this change was made "purely" to sell more resource boosts. Possible, but irrelevant, given that you could say the same thing about releasing a new gun -- it's designed to get people to buy the gun, boosts, or subscriptions. What's wrong with that? The game has to make money somehow, and getting 450 resources (potentially) in the time it takes others to get 300 isn't nearly as useful as just buying a Haymaker and going to town in a biolab fight, so frankly if this is what makes the game "pay to win," that bar was reached at launch, not now.

I'm hoping for a resource adjustment in a few weeks on C4. That would be great. Fewer MAXes, fewer tanks clogging up the roads, and fewer LAs dropping C4 bombs would all make the game more pleasant and open up vehicle combat to being more interesting and powerful.

What people are upset about is that the stuff that is balanced around being somewhat limited -- vehicles and infantry consumables -- is now actually limited regardless of whether or not you've certed down your MAX/tank deployment timer. Well, that's how it needs to be.

[omega four]

This isn't surprising at all.

Any one who states that PS2 (or any other F2P game) is not P2W is simply fooling themselves.

These F2P games are developed by for-profit businesses who have a simple goal of MAKING MONEY.

Originally Posted by Dreamcast

That free month of being a premium member really opened up my eyes.

I had Premium membership which gives you 25% Xp/Resources and I also used my 50% XP Boost.


When I played the game, I always had Med kits and grenades at full....I was rich.

BTW XP boost helps get resources too, It says that XP gets you resources according to the territory u are fighting in, not sure exactly how it works, can anybody explain?


Now I have no Premium membership or boost and I can't even get my medkits to half full or my grenades to full.

You could say I been fighting on losing continents but thats not the case I was fighting on losing continents when I had XP boost/Membership and I never felt poor.



The thing is, that it really opened up my eyes to a hidden Pay 2 win in this game.

I mean I just use medkits and grenades....I was using med kits left and right like a mad man...Now I actually need to be a tad more careful.


You don't get Pay 2 Win on an individual level, as in 1 vs 1 situations, the game is pretty fair on that front but on a wider level....Their is Pay 2 Win.


What I mean by this is, is what you can buy with resources....Specially on the infantry side.

Proximity mines = Instant kill.....Unless you have flak armor....The likeliness of somebody not having a Flak Armor is quite big since their is other options for people to get.

So obviously if somebody has more Proximity mines, they have a higher % of getting kills than somebody who has almost none.

The thing is however that yes, you could counter a Proximity mine with Flak armor or by shooting the proximity mine(Which is hard in a combat situation since this a fast pace game)......But like I said is still a hidden Pay 2 Win when you give a player more of a weapon which could insta kill.


Now with Vehicles Prices increasing, is the perfect time for Paying Members to use the hidden Pay 2 Win since they are gonna have the resources available to get as many vehicles as they want with minimal risk.


Don't get me wrong I love the game, Always been a Planetside fan but seeing the hidden P2W scheme kind of sucks.

I will still defend Ps2 when people say is P2W since they mean Pay 2 Win as in 1 vs 1 situations (n00b vs Vet), thats obviously bullshit since Stock Weapons are actually damn good in this game.

I understand why SOE put Resources boost, for people who don't have enough time to play to get their favorite vehicles/consumables fast but I think it should be canned IMO.

[Crator]

Originally Posted by omega four

This isn't surprising at all.

Any one who states that PS2 (or any other F2P game) is not P2W is simply fooling themselves.

These F2P games are developed by for-profit businesses who have a simple goal of MAKING MONEY.

It's just that pay-to-win usually insinuates a negative meaning, especially in a PvP centric game. I think PS2 has done a pretty good job of not making the P2W aspect a negative thing though.

[omega four]

I don't regard P2W as a good or bad thing with respect to for-profit companies. Everyone is entitled to earning a living.

SOE didn't force any one to play PS2, its F2P game. SOE didn't force anyone to spend money while playing its F2P game, PS2.

So when SOE gives gamers who DO want to p2Win while playing PS2, SOE has that right and I don't think ill of SOE for doing so.

Originally Posted by Crator

It's just that pay-to-win usually insinuates a negative meaning, especially in a PvP centric game. I think PS2 has done a pretty good job of not making the P2W aspect a negative thing though.

[Crator]

Originally Posted by omega four

So when SOE gives gamers who DO want to p2Win while playing PS2, SOE has that right and I don't think ill of SOE for doing so.

Completely agree. It becomes a problem if it has a negative impact on the game however. In PS2 that means driving players away, in specific players who don't pay. Because that's the players who are trying the game with the hopes of keeping them. Remember, the majority of the content in PS2 are the players because it is exclusively PvP.

Because, in the end, if you aren't going to make the free-to-play experience enjoyable and in turn drive those players away keeping only the niche players who do pay, you may as well have made the game subscription based. The depth of the game in certain aspects would have been better sub based then.