Quick Knife

[Eyeklops]

Originally Posted by FIREk

Knife kills in BF3 are rare, extra-humiliating (which is the point of knife kills), risky (long animation) and definitely well-deserved. The animation should be extra-long in PS2 since the TTK will be way longer than in BF3. Problem solved, everyone is happy.

Only an idiot would consider a Modern Warfare or BFBC2-style quick knife in a slow-TTK game like PS2, so I'm sure Higby and his crew are cooking up some interesting implementation of the infamous quick knife.

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[Top Sgt]

I'm new to planetside but an experienced gamer.. no quick knife 1 hit kills.. this is not a noobed up kids game to save bad players by knifing through bullet hits.

Knife should be slow equipable and the animation should take some time how BF3 did it .

let aknif ekill mean something and not just a quick 1 button press

[Sirisian]

There was a post that was removed that complained there was too much to read. I've updated the summary of people's opinions and went over all the posts again in detail to include and correct a few errors. It should now reflect in paraphrased form what everyone discussed in the previous pages. Most people fall into one of four groups (sampling error +/-2):

• No quick knife (21), said "No", but did not explain if they wanted equipped knife only or just didn't want a one-hit knife button
• Equipped knife only (37) Explicitly said they wanted equipped knife only. (PS1 style normally).
• No one-hit quick knife (47) Explicitly said they wanted a knife button as long as it didn't one-hit
• Other (16) Either didn't specify or went on a tangent about backstabs and other mechanisms related to knifing

Others have varying explanations and criteria they want for knifing. Some involve backstab rules and criteria and animations/delays and others involve class specific damage. A lot of ideas have focused on keeping "COD" type knifing out of PS2. (BF3 on the other hand was more respected by a lot of people).

Firefly - Equipped knife only
CutterJohn - No one-hit quick knife, 33%-50% damage
Vancha - No one-hit quick knife, open to the idea, but prefers equipped knife, wants throwing knives
basti - No one-hit quick knife, wants many different knife customizations, faster/higher damage/throwing
Gortha - No one-hit quick knife, 33-50% damage
DviddLeff - One-hit backstab quick knife
Alanim - 33% damage equpped knife, One-hit backstab quick knife only if attacker has full shields
LongBow - No quick knife (no explanation or preferences)
Graywolves - Equipped knife only, backstabs if unlocked for class
Zhane - No quick knife
Dorest0rm - No one-hit quick knife, Cloaker can backstab if they uncloak for 2/3 of a second
Brokinarrow - No one-hit quick knife, wants many different knife customizations, faster/higher damage/throwing
Coreldan - Equipped knife only
Figment - No opinion
RadarX - No opinion
BigBossMonkey - No one-hit quick knife
Sheppe - No quick knife
IceyCold - No quick knife
Vash02 - One-hit backstab quick knife
bmfof - One-hit backstab quick knife with QTE if target is moving or hit from the front
Tikuto - Okay with quick knife, likes traditional equipped
Shogun - No one-hit quick knife, like traditional equipped
DayOne - No one-hit quick knife, one-hit backstab equipped knife
Goku - No one-hit quick knife, infiltrators could get damage boost
Warborn - Equipped knife only, no one-hit equipped knife
Azren - No quick knife
Hamma - Equipped knife only
HitbackTR - No quick knife
EZShot - Equipped knife only, more damage than PS1
Bags - Equipped knife only
Trolltaxi - Quick-knife 30% damage drop your current weapon, 50% to one-hit backstab, can parry
nomotog - No one-hit quick knife, equip knife also, throwing knife, charge up stab mode for one-hit, Other ideas
Gandhi - No quick knife
Neksar - No one-hit quick knife, bonus up to one-hit backstab (no animation or make it short), no throwing knife, wants stab (noise) mode
BorisBlade - No quick knife
Tasorin - No quick knife, (doesn't like cloakers quick knifing)
Arrow - One-hit backstab quick knife
Shade Millith - No one-hit quick knife
NEWSKIS - No one-hit quick knife, prefers equipped knife
Miir - No knives (watchout we got a badass here)
SKYeXile - One-hit backstab quick knife
AshOck - No one-hit quick knife
MrBlip - Equipped knife only, 2-mode, slash and stab (noise), no throwing knife, one-hit backstab with stab mode on, or backstab destroys shield then health (two-hit), no animation
Gogita - No quick knife
inigmatus - No one-hit quick knife
Yutty - No one-hit quick knife, holding for more damage
Raymac - No one-hit quick knife
RodenyC - No opinion
Neksar - No one-hit quick knife
DeeTwoEh - No quick knife (assumed that it must be one-hit)
Hmr85 - Equipped knife only
FoxBait - No quick knife, one-hit backstab
Metalsheep - Equipped knife only, extra damage for backstab
Cosmical - No one-hit quick knife
Pillow - Equipped knife only (wants to dual opponent in the middle of battle), bonus for backstab, no throwing knife
NewSith - No one-hit quick knife, one-hit backstab
texico - No quick knife
Saintlycow - Equipped knife only
Hermes - Equipped knife only, infiltrator weapon ideally
Rarntogo - One-hit quick knife depending on armor type (infiltrator)
Sirisian - No one-hit quick knife, throwing knife
Erendil - Equipped knife only
Straws - No one-hit quick knife
That one noob - No quick knife, no one-hit knife except by infiltrators with implant
Soothsayer - No one-hit quick knife
Talek Krell - No one-hit quick knife, low damage, QTE assassination
BlazingSun - No one-hit quick knife
sylphaen - Equipped knife only
CidHighwind - No one-hit quick knife, equipped does more damage, but slower, more damage for backstab
GTGD - No quick knife
WiteBeam - Equipped knife only
ThGlump - No one-hit quick knife, 10-15%, Equipped primary 25%, throwing knife as long as you have 1 (unless you customize with more)
Captain1nsaneo - Equipped knife only
Myomoto - Equipped knife only
xSlideShow - No one-hit quick knife, more damage for backstabs
TheBear - Equipped knife only, Infiltrator one-hit backstab animation
Biscuit - Equipped knife only
Casual - No one-hit quick knife (would prefer no quick knife, but as long as it doesn't auto-aim or one-hit he's fine)
FIREk - No one-hit quick knife
MrSmegz - Equipped knife only
Scrima - No one-hit quick knife
VioletZero - Quick knife only if it does a lot of damage
WaryWizard - Equipped knife only
Zulthus - Equipped knife only, no throwing knife
Mastachief - Equipped knife only, no one-hit kill with knife
Rabb - Equipped knife only
Justaman - Equipped knife only
Hezzy - No quick knife, no lock-on
Aurmanite - No one-hit quick knife, one-hit backstab
beekergunship - No opinion
TacosWLove - No quick knife
acosmo - No one-hit quick knife (assumed since he said he wanted quick)
jangio - No one-hit quick knife
Hipshot - Equipped knife only
IDukeNukeml - No one-hit quick knife
kilroy - Equipped knife only
Sighpolice - No quick knife, if it was added 10-15% damage depending on armor
Knightwyvern - Equipped knife only
Oty - No one-hit quick knife
waldizzo - Equipped knife only
Xennith - Equipped knife only (assumed it must be high damage)
Dreamcast - No one-hit quick knife
Checowsky - Equipped knife only
EVILoHOMER - Equipped knife only (referred to the case where knifes are more powerful than guns)
Sabrak - Equipped knife only (assumed it must be one hit)
Jandor - Equipped knife only
xXSpectreXx - No one-hit quick knife, 20-30% damage, kills if target has less than 45% health 2-3 second animation
Oryon22 - No quick knife
dachlatte - No one-hit quick knife, one-hit backstab animation
Lord Cosine - Equipped knife only, bonus backstab damage
Sifer2 - No quick knife
Garem - Quick knife only
SpLiTNuTz - Equipped knife only
TerminatorUK - No one-hit quick knife, 50% damage
Tom Peters - No one-hit quick knife, one-hit backstab animation
Ragotag - No one-hit quick nife, one-hit backstab animation
Gerhold - Equipped knife only
Eyeklops - No one-hit quick knife, weak damage, one-hit backstab
Synapses - No one-hit quick knife, charge equipped stab to one-hit backstab
Folly - Quick knife, finishing move on low health enemies
super pretendo - No quick knife
Top Sgt - No one-hit quick knife, equipped knife backstab

Optional, Wants weapon melee:
CutterJohn, Gortha, Coreldan, Shogun, basti, Shade Millith, Hamma, Vancha, Hermes, Rarntogo, Straws, That one noob, Myomoto, WaryWizard, Sabrak, Neksar, Jandor, Gerhold
(3 people want bayonets).

I've revised my knife design. I'm not going to reiterate the decisions since that would make this pages of text. They were covered in the previous versions using people's input and concerns. Changed a few words to reflect people's opinions. (Remember damage percentages are just examples, 30% = 4 hits, 35% = 3 hits and would need to be balanced via gameplay testing depending on swipe speeds and other factors).

Before reading the following look at this thread which clear up holstering concerns that were brought up previously. TL;DR it makes switching weapons more realistic and would help to explain why going from a MCG to a knife would be possible. (Possibly straining the nanites causing the reformation of the MCG after the swipe to be slow. Thus a post quick-button knife delay).

Version 4: Balanced Knife Design:

• Quick-button knife with post use delay equal to the unholstering delay of pulling out the weapon again. (Missing with a quick knife leaves you at a huge disadvantage time wise essentially).
  • Tapping the quick knife key swipes for 30% damage
  • Holding the quick knife key transitions to throwing knife after 1 second. 10 m range medium COF. 30% damage
  • Holding over 1.5 seconds has 25 m with small COF. 35% damage
• 3-mode equipped knife:
  • swipe, 30% damage. It's faster for continuous swipes than quick knifing since it lacks the transition back to a weapon)
  • stab, 35% damage, Audible noise like in PS1.
  • throw, single use 30% damage (better for multiple knives since there's no holstering delay)
    • Has pre (1 second to 1.5s when holding down the fire button) and post throw delay (longer animation).
    • If you don't hold the fire button for 1 second the throw is cancelled.
• Throwing knifes has Slow spinning projectile. So if you get hit the person that threw it might be behind cover.
• When equipped secondary stab mode does 75% damage when backstabbing stationary targets.
• Maxes takes 0% damage from knife attacks.
• Damage is uniform across all classes with no class (other than max) having advantages or disadvantages.
• If two people knife at the same general time the attacks are parried doing no damage allowing friendlies to kill the attacker. Rare, but this was brought up and is really necessary to help those at low health to protect themselves from a finishing strike. This increases tactics and fulfills the concept of a quick time event for protecting oneself from knife attacks that a few people want.

Fun thought I'm indifferent about, but popped into my head while constructing this post. There's a science fiction idea that shields only stop fast moving objects. (In shows it allows people to pick up objects or hold things but block bullets). Could this be used in Planetside 2 to let a knife hit health and pass through shields? Might be overpowered, but would make health important even when a player had fully charged shields. (I won't go into depth, but suffice to say someone with 20% health and 100% shields could be quick knifed and killed).

Remember to keep an open mind and breathe. I'm going to go sleep.