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Old 2003-09-27, 03:13 PM   [Ignore Me] #16
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The title of this thread is almost as stupid as the whiny eleven year old content.
SmokeJumper, aka Dave Georgeson, aka SENIOR PRODUCER plays TR most of the time as a CE/Infiltrator.
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Old 2003-09-27, 03:16 PM   [Ignore Me] #17
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I find it funny people are constantly bitching when there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING preventing them from playing a different empire on a different server, and seeing the patch on the receiving end.
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Old 2003-09-27, 06:24 PM   [Ignore Me] #18
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I just want to get one thing strait for all those people who think the Striker takes no skill. Imagine this, your in a mid sized battle, with your striker, and you see a Reaver. You wip it out, lock on, and fire. If that aircraft goes behind ANYTHING, you waist the rocket. This includes,

trees
rocks
mountains
walls
towers
hills
another aircraft
vehicles

Not to mention, if a friendly soldier walks in front of you, your screwed. It's also kind of hard to keep that little target on the aircraft as it uses boosters or swirves all over the place. Don't say an weapon doesn't require any skill. Becouse they ALL require skill. Some less than others (I won't even state my opinions) but the striker definetly requires a lot of skill.
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Old 2003-09-27, 08:41 PM   [Ignore Me] #19
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I tend to agree with the post for the most part.

Maybe I should just forget it and join the NC horde
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Old 2003-09-27, 09:27 PM   [Ignore Me] #20
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Gohan is my favorite VS player

ROFL thanks Smaug and your sig r0x my s0x i busted out laughing when i first saw it, i related to its soooo much.
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Old 2003-09-28, 02:43 AM   [Ignore Me] #21
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No I did not mean the phoenix is the best AV weapon, but it DOES do the most damage. Usage is different and unique for each of the AV weapons, and let me tell you that the striker is not as easy as you think it is.

You will loose lock if anything passes between you and the target, the rocket is not very fast so a reaver and skeeter can easily afterburn away. And it takes more than a clip to kill a reaver. They don't harm tanks very much, and they barely do any damage vs infantry.

The major reason I have the striker cert is because of aircraft, and compared to the sparrow, you have got to be kidding me. I personally think the TR have the weakest AA cover simply because the burster is so weak against infantry up close, and of course because it is manually aimed.

I don't think anyone can argue that the Reaver hasn't been screwed over royally. It would have been fine to buff the AA but to decrease the clip size on the reaver just screws over any reaver pilot. Full clip on a reaver won't kill any tank, but yet obviously it was too much.

Oh and Gohan if you want a thesis quality paper, go to your local college you freaking dork, I don't give a rats ass about my grammer when I'm posting a message. If you put so much emphasis on something so trivial, then you need to pull that stick out your ass.
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Old 2003-09-28, 03:08 AM   [Ignore Me] #22
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I'm going to say one thing. These "balances" make me glad I'm not playing PS anymore
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Old 2003-09-28, 05:42 AM   [Ignore Me] #23
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Originally posted by Caspertoo
No I did not mean the phoenix is the best AV weapon, but it DOES do the most damage. Usage is different and unique for each of the AV weapons, and let me tell you that the striker is not as easy as you think it is.

You will loose lock if anything passes between you and the target, the rocket is not very fast so a reaver and skeeter can easily afterburn away. And it takes more than a clip to kill a reaver. They don't harm tanks very much, and they barely do any damage vs infantry.

The major reason I have the striker cert is because of aircraft, and compared to the sparrow, you have got to be kidding me. I personally think the TR have the weakest AA cover simply because the burster is so weak against infantry up close, and of course because it is manually aimed.

I don't think anyone can argue that the Reaver hasn't been screwed over royally. It would have been fine to buff the AA but to decrease the clip size on the reaver just screws over any reaver pilot. Full clip on a reaver won't kill any tank, but yet obviously it was too much.

Oh and Gohan if you want a thesis quality paper, go to your local college you freaking dork, I don't give a rats ass about my grammer when I'm posting a message. If you put so much emphasis on something so trivial, then you need to pull that stick out your ass.
Sure it might do the most damage per shot. But damage per time period has to go to the striker at the moment.

Yes I agree the burster has a severe limitation being that it is manually aimed, but the sparrow isn't that easy to use as well. You outline the same problems with the sparrow when you are talking about the striker. Yet my main gripe with the striker was that you could shoot off multiple clips of rockets and then make a lock, and most of the missiles would still lock. With the sparrow this is impossible. If you fire a missle when you dont have a lock, it is dumbfire indefinately. The Starfire however is much like the striker. They are nerfing it as well though, making it so you have to have a lock for a missle to be tracking.

Sure the striker isn't that useful against tanks, or even planes. Yet neither is the phoenix, or lancer. I'd take a decimator any day over all of the AV weapons, except concerning planes. It deals out way more damage compared to AV. And yes the striker isn't effective vs infantry, neither is the phoenix. It takes roughly 6 shots to kill a reinforced exo troop with the phoenix, probably near the same with the striker. The lancer on the other hand as you know is much stronger vs infantry, yet they are nerfing that as well.

Concerning reavers... well. I guess we'll just have to see how that turns out. I believe their intention was to eliminate excessive rocket spam.
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Old 2003-09-28, 08:24 AM   [Ignore Me] #24
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Originally posted by Sputty
I'm going to say one thing. These "balances" make me glad I'm not playing PS anymore
Oh no, please give us your wisdom on why the changes are bad. Not just which you don't like, tell us WHY.
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Old 2003-09-28, 11:05 AM   [Ignore Me] #25
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Originally posted by Caspertoo
No I did not mean the phoenix is the best AV weapon, but it DOES do the most damage. Usage is different and unique for each of the AV weapons, and let me tell you that the striker is not as easy as you think it is.

You will loose lock if anything passes between you and the target, the rocket is not very fast so a reaver and skeeter can easily afterburn away. And it takes more than a clip to kill a reaver. They don't harm tanks very much, and they barely do any damage vs infantry.

The major reason I have the striker cert is because of aircraft, and compared to the sparrow, you have got to be kidding me. I personally think the TR have the weakest AA cover simply because the burster is so weak against infantry up close, and of course because it is manually aimed.

I don't think anyone can argue that the Reaver hasn't been screwed over royally. It would have been fine to buff the AA but to decrease the clip size on the reaver just screws over any reaver pilot. Full clip on a reaver won't kill any tank, but yet obviously it was too much.

Oh and Gohan if you want a thesis quality paper, go to your local college you freaking dork, I don't give a rats ass about my grammer when I'm posting a message. If you put so much emphasis on something so trivial, then you need to pull that stick out your ass.
All you guys that say strikers take skill are dumb as hell ... I played Terran until br18 cr2 and the striker is easily the biggest n00b weapon in the game. The only problem with it is that u lose lock sometimes thats it. Try the other empire AV weapons and you will notice u have to worry about terrain too
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Old 2003-09-28, 02:01 PM   [Ignore Me] #26
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Boo fucking hoo you lose lock when the little mosquito runs behind a tree. A phoenix can be outrun by them, and dodged rather easily. Try hitting a moving aircraft with a Lancer.
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Old 2003-09-28, 02:02 PM   [Ignore Me] #27
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It seems to me that people just like to whine and the Devs sadly listen to them because they are afraid of losing more people. They are in the pitiful boat of trying to please everyone and in the end they will please virtually no one.

VS has the Lasher and Magrider.....both extremely easy to get kills with. It seems like almost every VS has a lasher in their arsenal and I don't blame them.

NC has the JH, very easy to get kills with as well.....overpowering at close range.....add in the gauss or something else for range and you have a nice combo against infantry. The Vanguard is the best tank and thats why you always see TONS of them. One shot, one kill and they only need 2 people for full effectiveness.

TR has the Pounder and the Stryker. Yeah the stryker is easy to use and good against MAXes and air. The TR needs this to compensate for their lacking in armored vehicles. The pounder is very good inside but its needed since the lasher and JH are easily much better indoors than the MCG. Plus the pounder is an extreme grief machine which offsets many of its benefits and outdoors its just as easy of a target as any other MAX in any civ.

I think for TR you will just see guys trade in their AV for SA and start using the decimator and other weapons instead.

It's all about balance. The only way to truly balance the weapons is for every side to have exaclty the same weapons. Beyond that its merely a guessing game......or in this case......who can whine the loudest......which is a sad way to balance a game.
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Old 2003-09-28, 03:57 PM   [Ignore Me] #28
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Oh and Gohan if you want a thesis quality paper, go to your local college you freaking dork, I don't give a rats ass about my grammer when I'm posting a message. If you put so much emphasis on something so trivial, then you need to pull that stick out your ass.

Heh thats funny. I wasnt refering to your grammer i was refering to your inabillity to read, you missed some points in the patch completly. Thats why i made the comment about hooked on phonics. Aparantly you didnt read my reply throughly. Time for HOP.

Meh. On another point.


and let me tell you that the striker is not as easy as you think it is.


Bullshizzle. Ive used the striker. Ive used the starfire which works about the same as the striker. Ive used the pheonix. Ive used the Lancer. All exstencively. Dont you tell me that the striker is hard to use compaired to the lancer. You are lucky to hit a moving aircraft with 1 out of your 6 shots with the lancer.


Another thing: You complain about the burster being "manually aimed" First, you have the striker, so you have a locking AV compaired to a locking AA max. Meh. So you get a portable AA max. Nice.

And secondly, What is there to aim with the the burster? You still have to follow your targets like the starfire. Plus, it owns everything so fucking hard core already. Aircraft hovering over tower? No prob. Locked down burster will have it dead before they know wts happened.

Plus, with this upgrade, you have your uber maxes standing on top of a mountain killing the people heading in the main door.

Hands down, the burster is the best of the AA maxes against infantry, the only thing that makes it not rediculously overpowered is, if you get real close to them, it dosent damage you at all. Starfire is the worst against infantry.


Seriously. The lasher takes insane skill to use, in anything but hallways. You have to lead EVERY single shot. Given, it does own anything in hallways with no skill needed.

I swear. And tr player that bitchs about anything about their weapons should be shot in the face. And any NC that complain about anything exept the pheonix gimpness, should be shot as well.

/me gets shotty ready
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Old 2003-09-28, 04:42 PM   [Ignore Me] #29
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Heh thats funny. I wasnt refering to your grammer
You mean "grammar?"

If you're going to try and be a cute little fuck you had at least make an attempt to be good at it, then again you're probably an avid Dragon Ball Z watcher so I shouldn't really hold you to such high and daunting standards.
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Old 2003-09-28, 04:45 PM   [Ignore Me] #30
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I'm going to say one thing. These "balances" make me glad I'm not playing PS anymore
i dont get why so many people, especcially contributers, bother to stay around anymore. being the fact that this is PLANETSIDE-universe.
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