No macros, mouse tweaks etc.

[Graywolves]

If you set things up to occur automatically then yeah you're cheating.

[morf]

Originally Posted by Graywolves

If you set things up to occur automatically then yeah you're cheating.

I would have to agree. Thankfully everything I do is initiated by a keystroke so it's not automatic. Cheating is modifying the game client to do things that aren't possible by user input. Optimizing user input via hardware options is not cheating.

[Crator]

Technically, it's still cheating if you optimize your hardware, but not easy to detect the cheat so it goes undetected.

[Graywolves]

Originally Posted by Crator

Technically, it's still cheating if you optimize your hardware, but not easy to detect the cheat so it goes undetected.

It's like filling your boxing gloves with lead. Or something.

[morf]

Originally Posted by Crator

Technically, it's still cheating if you optimize your hardware, but not easy to detect the cheat so it goes undetected.

So I'm going to pose the same question you failed to answer before: what's the difference between a mouse button that I've set up to send several keystrokes that I would normally send anyway vs. a joystick that you program to send dozens of keystokes per second to simulate a "partial keypress" ??

Furthermore, what happens between me and my computer is between me and my computer, what happens between my computer and the game client is the only thing anyone else needs to worry about. That's my position. I recognize that others are entitled to their own opinions, no matter how wrong they are. Don't tell me how to use my computer and I won't tell you how to use yours.

[Crator]

<shrug> idk, guess you have a point... I use a nice Logitech mouse with button that allow me to change the DPI on the fly. Guess that's cheating too kind of. But, in the end, I suppose the better hardware you have the better you will be able to interface with the game. So in a way you are right.

[morf]

Originally Posted by Crator

<shrug> idk, guess you have a point... I use a nice Logitech mouse with button that allow me to change the DPI on the fly.

You big fat cheater

[Trolltaxi]

Originally Posted by morf

Actually both are programmable hardware. I setup my mouse to send a series of keystrokes when I press a button. The analog joystick sends pulses of keystrokes when you bank left or right. There's no way for you to "halfway" depress your left key on your keyboard. The joystick simulates this by on and off sending the keystroke dozens of times per second depending on how hard you're banking. It's exactly the same thing, applied in two different ways.

As long as a player is in control, and everyone else can do the same thing, what's the problem?

No sir, you are wrong with the analog joystick. You're speaking about the '80s controllers - those were "digital". Therefore your whole analogy with the joy is failed. (learn: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/joystick3.htm ) Now I hope you see the problem.

And the final argument! Real men just don't use macros!

[morf]

Originally Posted by Trolltaxi

No sir, you are wrong with the analog joystick. You're speaking about the '80s controllers - those were "digital". Therefore your whole analogy with the joy is failed. (learn: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/joystick3.htm ) Now I hope you see the problem.

And the final argument! Real men just don't use macros!

My joystick sends keystrokes. Sorry I don't have time to pick through that article, can you sum up exactly how the game client understands input from a programmable joystick that doesn't send keystrokes? How does it read the sensitivity settings that you programmed into the joystick?

[Crator]

It's still cheating by definition even if you just use hardware: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_online_games

Just not much the game devs can do about that.

[Trolltaxi]

Originally Posted by morf

My joystick sends keystrokes. Sorry I don't have time to pick through that article, can you sum up exactly how the game client understands input from a programmable joystick that doesn't send keystrokes? How does it read the sensitivity settings that you programmed into the joystick?

"to determine the location of the stick, the joystick control system simply monitors the position of each shaft. The conventional analog joystick design does this with two potentiometers, or variable resistors." I hope you can imagine the rest...

You lazy ... meh...

[morf]

Originally Posted by Trolltaxi

"to determine the location of the stick, the joystick control system simply monitors the position of each shaft. The conventional analog joystick design does this with two potentiometers, or variable resistors." I hope you can imagine the rest...

You lazy ... meh...

That's absolutely wonderful trivia, bro. But my question was: how does the game client interpret the input from the joystick?

[morf]

Originally Posted by Crator

It's still cheating by definition even if you just use hardware: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_online_games

Just not much the game devs can do about that.

You know for the purposes of this argument, I don't really care much about whatever opinion is being expressed on the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit. But if it's that big of a deal to you, I'll be happy to edit it.

[Crator]

Ok, I'm done talking to you then. Hate that weak ass argument about wikipedia... Stupid...

[morf]

Originally Posted by Crator

Ok, I'm done talking to you then. Hate that weak ass argument about wikipedia... Stupid...

It's a subjective opinion that literally anyone can edit. Most academics would agree with me on this one. At any rate, I scanned the article, and noticed it didn't seem to mention anything about hardware macros (although it did mention scripting) - but at the very top it mentions that what constitutes cheating is game specific and subject to opinion.

Furthermore, you and your buddy never got back to me on the joystick argument, but whether you're right or wrong, I'm still correct. If the joystick does cause your computer to send ordinary keystrokes to the game client, as i posited, you already agreed that it provides the same advantage as a mouse macro. On the other hand, if the joystick somehow sends specialized keystrokes that are even better than those produced by an ordinary keyboard, then it's providing EVEN MORE of an advantage than my mouse macro, because this task cannot be replicated with an ordinary keyboard. In that case, I want to thank you guys for making my point even stronger.

So in summary:
No matter what, I'm right. And even if you're right it makes me even more right. Right?

Alright.