Originally posted by Zarparchior
I agree with Grym, Knuckles, and Guru on this one. Agent White, your argument baffles me... You say the Puslar compliments the Lasher? Are you NUTS?! The pulsar IS accurate, the pulsar DOES have good recoil, BUT the pulsar does JACK SHIT for damage close or far range but sucks even worse at far range and has a significantly lower RoF. This makes this "gun" (more like laser pointer  ) the worst AR period. Why use a Pulsar for range when you can use the much much MUCH better Lancer?
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Because the Lancer would require extra cert points, it's ammo size and amount is also very inefficient. As I've said before the Pulsar shares ammo with the Lasher, making it a better complimentary weapon. Alternatively, you could use a Lasher/bolt driver combo, but that would leave you with a rather wide mid-range gap.
The Pulsar's cone of fire return rate is almost as fast as the suppressor, making it a viable burst weapon with 4x zoom. If you're doing a base to tower shoot out with someone using a cycler or jackhammer, it doesn't matter how little damage the Pulsar does because you'll be the only one landing shots. Close the distance and out comes the Lasher.
And why use that PoS called the Lasher? You fools that swear by it will always make me laugh and cry. Since I've been playing on TR for awhile now, I enjoy running into the VS. When I see pulsar shots whizing by, I run for the stupid bastard and gun him down easily with my Cycler at range. If I see the slow orbs of energy from that Lasher, I stay at medium distant and dispath the foe with (what else?) my Cycler. That's right... I can dodge 7/10 orbs - and get no lash damage from the missed shots. It's ludicrously easy to doge them still, even after their speed buff. Either their lashing range and damage need a significant increase or the Sweeper Shotgun will remain much better in close range. And having a Med assault better than Heavy assault at close range is just wrong.  |
Ever see a bunch of TR try to storm a CC room and run into a wall of Lasher fire? Not pretty. A pumpkin patch of little red vests.
The advantage of the lasher is that it will fire straight ahead if you are running or strafing. The Cycler won't. The Jackhammer is only good at REALLY close range, and you have to be able to make it through all that Lasher fire before you can do any real damage.
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Don't get me started on the Beamer. That thing really a laser pointer. Damage is non existant, and AP rounds (in general) are a joke.
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I've found it good for taking out infiltrators when I'm using dual lancers. Infs usually use AMP which sucks if you're not point blank. Darklight + beamer does the job. AP mode good for clearing mines.
If the Thresher's Phux Cannon actually did good damage and did splash as well (like the other two empires...  ) then it'd be in much better condition. If you made it so that every bump in the road didn't decimate it's structual integerity, even better! Increase the armor so that's it's just below the other empires and you're my friend of balance.  |
The thresher's weapon and handling potential are really good for taking out enemy AMS and ANTs. Better than the other buggies I'd say. Arc weapons suck when you're chasing an AMS, I outran a prowler the other day because the gunner couldn't land a shot on me.
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The VS do no have versatility. Au contraire, mon ami. They rely on specialization. Their Lancer is the *ONLY* real versatile weapon. Every other thing requires mad timing, learned skillz, and a whole lot of luck or knowledge of what the enemy is going to do. The AMP (for infiltrators) is close range only, which SHOULD be pointless as they should be using their knife.... but that's right! Their knife makes loud noise AND glows! Whoa!
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I didn't say that all the weapons are versatile, but that because our heavy and med assault weapons share ammo, they allow for more versatility.
I happen to have inf suit and melee booster (my personal anti-sniper favorite) and I can kill people in 2 shots with Vanu knife, which only glows in SECONDARY attack mode, which I DON'T USE. Looks like you don't know what you're talking about.
Twice the disadvantages for the same price! Nice!  Same with their MAXs. AI is realy only effective against infantry. |
And enemy MAXes. I've had AI cert since BR2. Once I get behind a TR or NC max, it's rather easy to stay behind him. Getting behind is simple with jumpjets.
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AA is only effective against air (but all other empire AA MAXs are same, so null point),
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I would venture to say that due to jumpjets we are the most unkillable AA maxes of all three empires. Not only can you not rocket me to death, your ground forces can't reach me because I'm on your roof.
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AV is super specialized. It only really hurts vehilces AT CLOSE RANGE.
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Apparently you've never been a TR or NC max trying to storm a CC and running into a bunch of Vanu AV max comet fire. You'll be dirtnapping before you get through the door.
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At a distance, you might as well run away. The orbs move sooooo incredibly slow that most vehilces can outrun them.
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Read my original post. It's hard to run away when I'm on the roof of your Vanguard, or standing on top of your deployed AMS. The Comet is a close range MAX. You don't go toe to toe with a lightning from half a mile away with a Vanu comet MAX. Close distance in run mode, use your jumpjets and unload while directly above him.
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Good luck trying to lead, you'll miss 9/10 of your shots if you have the luck of the TR. And that's pretty much your clip...
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Sorry, I know how to play.
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The VS are not balanced... they just have to use a whole lot of crazier styles than the other empires - and that requires brains.
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Thank you for rephrasing the title of my thread.
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I'd say each empire is populated by about 60% of dumbasses and n00bs. For the other empires, that is perfectly okay. The game's learning curve is easy enough, and the only real "tactics" you need to use as teh other empires is zerging and teamwork. Get close enough to the enemy, shoot them without missing while having them miss you as much as possible. Simple. For the VS it doesn't work that way... if using the same style weapons and against the same amount of other players from another empire using same style tactics - YOU HAVE ALREADY LOST. And I think that even the VS fanbois would agree with that statement.
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Once again, you're preaching the choir. As I have already stated, Vanu weapon potential is far greater than the others, but requires advanced skill to take advantage of.
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The VS still need some love. I h8 winning so much. I feel guilty...
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Come to Markov and send me a tell. I'll be sure to make you feel better.
almost like coming back to the Vanu so I can be forced to use crazy tactics. In that case, I love the VS. It's just that since the majority of players are stupid... it makes the VS much harder to play... |
Once again, agreed. Once you learn to use Vanu weapons, the viability of zerg rushing by NC and TR diminishes.
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