New Patch Experiences - Page 5

TheN00b · 2004-02-21, 04:13 PM

Another thing is that I really dislike the 'If you can't beat 'em, join 'em' syndrome. There should be more effective ways to defeat weapon X then having weapon X.

Rbstr · 2004-02-21, 04:17 PM

So your saying the TR ans VS don't have surgiles? Your horribly wrong, both the lasher and the MCG are equaly capable and surging in killing two peol and dies just like JH surgiles do.

Also surge works all ways.
If your realy hate Surgiles so much take Pshield and watch as a whole trishot just bounces off

Angel_of_Death · 2004-02-21, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by VashTheStamped

Planetside is relatively balanced you idiots!!
(or it will be if stop whinning)

Each weapon has andvantages AND disadvantages!

First of all, stopping the whining will not make the game auto-balance. Whining brings certain equipment's effectiveness to the devs attention, where they can analyze what needs to be done to even out the situation. Obviously you're right, every weapon has advantages and disadvantages, but when some weapons' overall advantages, outweigh the others then something needs to be done.

No weapon is an "uber-kill" and no weapon is "the worst"
(applies to weapons of the type, i.e. HA and HA not HA and MA)

There are weapons which are clearly the worst in its category, ie. Beamer, Thresher, Pulsar. (Note: I am VS, and it's true that these are the worst in there categories. I can't say that anything NC or TR is the worst in any category, because most of the other categories are more or less, well-balanced. This is an unbiased opinion as I play alot with all 3 empires.)

In your instruction manual that came with planetside it said that on a shot-per-shot basis the NC ws suppossed to be stronger,
It says TR have more bullets, but less DMG per bullet
VS have ok in all areas. ok range, ok DMG, and ok bullets

The instruction manual means nothing. This is a MMO game and things change, alot of things. The manual says alot of things that are completely untrue now, like the Prowler having the most armor, and being the biggest, baddest tank.

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Do the math:
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Lots of Bullets + Med DMG + short range = 10 (10 is a relative example based number)
Med range + Med DMG + Med Bullets = 10
High DMG + Low Bullets + short range = 10

thereby NC=TR=VS
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In theory, those equations should be true, but as it stands in PS, they're not even close to being correct.

you beg for nerfs so much that shot-per-shot the JH is worse than the sweeper

you beg for nerfs so much that total chaaos has come upon auraxis

If the shot-per-shot for the JH is worse than the Sweeper, why is it that nobody uses the Sweeper, and every NC still uses the JH?

It's war, and an MMO, expect chaos.

In reply to other posts, if you have a problem with surgiles, grab surge yourself. The Lasher and MCG are both good surge tools. I have never found anything wrong with being surged on, or surging myself.

Rbstr · 2004-02-21, 04:42 PM

The pulsar has a higher TTK than the cycler even on Rexo is you know whern to use the AP.

If those equations aren't even mostly correct why is it that the NC done't just have every continent under its control at all times? It because the game is ballence in an unballenced sort of way, every weapons is overpowered and underpowered in its own way.

And you can't say, "Well the NC don't always win because we have more skill" becuase you have just as many noobs

Angel_of_Death · 2004-02-21, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Rbstr

The pulsar has a higher TTK than the cycler even on Rexo is you know whern to use the AP.

If those equations aren't even mostly correct why is it that the NC done't just have every continent under its control at all times? It because the game is ballence in an unballenced sort of way, every weapons is overpowered and underpowered in its own way.

And you can't say, "Well the NC don't always win because we have more skill" becuase you have just as many noobs

I didn't propose that the NC were easily the best, and own the other empires no matter what. The NC have better equipment, regardless of what you guys say, but there are other factors that come into play during this game: luck being one of the biggest factors, as well as the population of the fights, and tag-teams (10 v 5, 2v1, ya know). These 3 are the biggest, but there are other smaller factors: the terrain, scenario, different types of players (how many vehicles, air support, MAXs, etc.).

Every empire has just as many new players, as well as just as many skilled players, so skill is not a factor that turns the tide of a battle.

BadAsh · 2004-02-21, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Rbstr

So your saying the TR ans VS don't have surgiles? Your horribly wrong, both the lasher and the MCG are equaly capable and surging in killing two peol and dies just like JH surgiles do.

Also surge works all ways.
If your realy hate Surgiles so much take Pshield and watch as a whole trishot just bounces off

Where did I say that the TR and VS don't have surgiles??? They just don't have a CQB waepon with the TTK of the Jack. So... the NC have a significant advantage when using surge against other HA (MCG and the Lasher)... because they kill faster... makin sense yet?

This and other factors are why the average NC player racks up almost 20% more kills than any other empire. This is not game balance, which is my "big picture" point.

Nerfs and Buffs are balance adjustments and are needed until the playing field is actually even. Then things like teamwork, tactics, and skill will be the deciding factor for victory conditions rather than who has better weapons, tanks, or whatever.

noxious · 2004-02-22, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by VashTheStamped

have you noticed Surge makes ALL wepons more effictive!

of course Surge vs No Surge , surge will win, but instead of whining, get surge yourself

And the use of weapons with agile armor, makes you go fster! whadda know!

Lighter armor + Surge = Faster Person. wow. diddnt take a genious to come up with that answer.

First off, I have no problem with surge, or the jackhammer. I don't want them nerfed or anything else buffed. That being said, we must first agree that at pointblank the Jackhammer wins. I don't think anyone will disagree with this. If this is true, than surge will give a greater increase to the Jackhammers maximum effectiveness than it will to the Lasher or MiniChaingun. The simple reason being that if you use surge to close range (this is why I use it and why I think most use it) than you are moving into the Jackhammer's kill zone that much quicker.

Veteran · 2004-02-22, 02:32 AM

"There are weapons which are clearly the worst in its category, ie. Beamer, Thresher, Pulsar. (Note: I am VS, and it's true that these are the worst in there categories"

So wrong in so many ways. Sorry, Barney.

WritheNC · 2004-02-22, 05:05 AM

You said:

(Note: I am VS, and it's true that these are the worst in there categories.

Then you said:

This is an unbiased opinion as I play alot with all 3 empires.

So, are you Vanu like you first stated, or do you play all empires with equal amount of time? Does that mean you have an unbiased opinion?

VashTheStamped · 2004-02-22, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by noxious

First off, I have no problem with surge, or the jackhammer. I don't want them nerfed or anything else buffed. That being said, we must first agree that at pointblank the Jackhammer wins. I don't think anyone will disagree with this. If this is true, than surge will give a greater increase to the Jackhammers maximum effectiveness than it will to the Lasher or MiniChaingun. The simple reason being that if you use surge to close range (this is why I use it and why I think most use it) than you are moving into the Jackhammer's kill zone that much quicker.

well its a shotgun...think about it if it were a real life gun/

shotguns at point nlan range kill.

Vick · 2004-02-22, 04:03 PM

yeah and my tank hovers in real life

Angel_of_Death · 2004-02-22, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by WritheNC

So, are you Vanu like you first stated, or do you play all empires with equal amount of time? Does that mean you have an unbiased opinion?

I concentrate mainly on my VS account, so I consider myself VS, but I do play with the other empires. And I notice that there are certain things unbalanced with every empire, even VS. Also, the fact that I realize this is just a game, and I don't give a fuck about it, allows me to see the bigger picture.

Originally Posted by Veteran

So wrong in so many ways. Sorry, Barney.

Did you have an argument ready, or just a "no" was all you had planned out?