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Old 2004-03-01, 12:31 PM   [Ignore Me] #121
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Jesus' message of love and tolerance is both the most important and most ignored of his life.

Those who kill in the name of Christ are surely the servants of Satan.

Those who dominate their societies in the name of Christ are surely the servants of irony.

Those who love with all their hearts are surely the minions of heaven.
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Old 2004-03-01, 12:34 PM   [Ignore Me] #122
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I haven't seen the movie yet (I keep nagging Martyr and he keeps deflecting), but I read that as gory as the whippings and beatings are in the movie, they're still PG-rated compared to what would have happened in real life. I guess that when they'd beat someone with the cattails, skin would come off completely, muscles would come off, internal organs would be exposed. I don't remember where I read that, maybe on the movie's website?

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Old 2004-03-01, 12:41 PM   [Ignore Me] #123
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I hate to be a cretin, but Roman soldiers would have sodomized Christ until he could stargaze through his own anus.

Do not focus on the suffering of Christ. His message of love is all that matters.
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Old 2004-03-01, 12:47 PM   [Ignore Me] #124
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Saw it yesterday, I haven't seen crowds/lines at a theater like that since the original Star Wars releases (yeah, I'm older than a lot of you). That's crazy. With all the cash this is bringing in I'm sure we can look forward to a whole bunch of poorly made 'Christian' themed films which will monumentally flop and leave the studios wondering what happened.

I thought that Mel's take on Pilate was pretty interesting, he ended up being an incredibly sympathetic character. It's certainly a perspective that I'd never seen before, I am curious exactly how he came about that opinion.

The most effective bits of the film to me were the scenes with Mary, the whole parent/child relationship struck me on a whole different emotional level. With Caveziel's face so torn apart and covered in blood so much, Mary was left to show the face of the pain and it held a lot of impact. Her flashback to Jesus skinning his knee as a child, and then the scene ending with "I make all things new" was just so powerful emotionally.
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Old 2004-03-01, 12:51 PM   [Ignore Me] #125
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Originally Posted by Triggar
I haven't seen the movie yet (I keep nagging Martyr and he keeps deflecting), but I read that as gory as the whippings and beatings are in the movie, they're still PG-rated compared to what would have happened in real life. I guess that when they'd beat someone with the cattails, skin would come off completely, muscles would come off, internal organs would be exposed. I don't remember where I read that, maybe on the movie's website?

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Organs were not exposed ($30 million doesn't quite foot that fx bill), but beyond the flayed skin his ribs and some other bones were exposed. I'm not sure that showing exposed organs would have made the scourging scene any more effective, it definitely had the impact they were trying for without needing to resort to that.
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Old 2004-03-01, 05:55 PM   [Ignore Me] #126
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This thread is dead, as for Church and State. Who cares if its in the constitution or not, if church starts influcencing the way my country is run I am moving to canada.
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