Air Superiority

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Originally Posted by ZeroOneZero

That's why AA maxes for NC and VS pretty much dominated, while the TR had to sit back and make calculated projections, and then open fire. LAME!!

The opposite is true in caves though, with lock on requirements, you can't do anything in a place where getting a lock on is impossible, let alone firing, let alone the missile not hitting an object, let alone being able to fire from within a doorway and without line of sight (if you happened to camp with air).

Like the Burster.

[ZeroOneZero]

Originally Posted by Figment

The opposite is true in caves though, with lock on requirements, you can't do anything in a place where getting a lock on is impossible, let alone firing, let alone the missile not hitting an object, let alone being able to fire from within a doorway and without line of sight (if you happened to camp with air).

Like the Burster.

You sir are correct! But!! I usually go in as a AV max, they deal more damage and can hit Air in a cramped areas.

The targeting system does suck with rockets, there should be free fire mode, where you don't need to lock on, like striker missiles.

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Originally Posted by ZeroOneZero

You sir are correct! But!! I usually go in as a AV max, they deal more damage and can hit Air in a cramped areas.

The targeting system does suck with rockets, there should be free fire mode, where you don't need to lock on, like striker missiles.

There was, but straight line of fire doesn't work with missiles at all. If they had proximity damage, maybe. But that'd be a big buff.

[Marinealver]

Planetside Air combat has always been one thing I think has been lacking. At first the Air combat was more reminicate of WW2 only the planes could stop in mid air. I mean there was no A2A missiles which has become a staple of Air Combat doctrine was for the longest nowhere to be found. The flight ceeling was verry low. The Lib Sguard mini expansion was needed when it was discovered that the Reaver has verry little stopping powere against ground zerg. THe Skyguard just made sure the lib didn't become overpowered, and added some mobile anti aircraft firepower that the MAXs couldn't provide.

The Wasp which was released turned out to be a verry weak aircraft. The Mossie which was the weakest aircraft had a faster standard speed the longer burn on the after burners helped it catch up with the wasp, and the wasp's low armor ment that the Mossie had way lower TTK against the Wasp thant the Wasp had against the Mossie.

The Flacklet which was the Rocklet with frag grenades(trying to improve this ammo type usefulness) was way too little to scare away a mossie. It took 1 and a half clips to bring one down. Also the rapid discharge only emptied half the clip (it should have been the whole clip). Not to mention forcing a reload.

Upgraded base turrets was a needed adition but the upgraded turrets were only valuible durring a defence action and worthless if no one was there to man it. It should have been able to switch from the default gun to the upgraded gun depending on the target. For example a flack gun will switch to flack when shooting at aircraft and a cannon would switch to shooting the cannon at ground targets. The cerebus turrets were a better base defence than the upgradded wall turrets.

The galaxy gunship is cool however there is no ground counter for it. Sure it s a big target but unless there is a 2 squads of AA MAXs, Sguards, and Anti Vehicle aiming at the air it can rule with little to know fear. They should have made some sort of ground defence that can target slower moving aircraft but doo more damage, however lacks the ability to track the more manuverible faster moving aircraft.

[Mechzz]

Originally Posted by elfailo

Waar heb ik dat geschreven dan?

Die Nederlanders zijn overal te vinden, zelfs op Auraxis lijkt het.

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Originally Posted by elfailo

Air deals with air primarily. Not Wasps though, I want homing rockets to be secondary to precision aim weapons.

Second-most effective AA MAX's, third vehicles with AA weapons (which should not be flak or homing rockets), and fourth infantry with AV/AA.

Hierzo.

AA-turrets and deployables removed from game forever and buried in the deepest possible hole they can find, trampled and humiliated with all the other bad ideas of the world.

En dit geeft ook vooral aan dat je anti-anti-air bent.


EDIT: Ik vind dat lock-on geen punt mag zijn als je er mooie ontwijk maneuvres en flares voor terug krijgt. DAN hebben we het pas over skill. Ben het met piloten eens dat de Wasp te makkelijk was, voornamelijk in bereik (lock-on is moeilijker vast te houden op korte afstand bij bewegelijke doelen).

[The Janitor]

Man, how did we ever communicate between different languages before Google translator?

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Originally Posted by The Janitor

Man, how did we ever communicate between different languages before Google translator?

By sheer force of will. Or learning a secondary, third and fourth language like most Dutch and Belgians do. :x


Or as a Brit friend of mine says whenever us dutch and flemish talk dutch on TS whenever he's away... "OHMAIGOTT TEH FOREIGN! STOP TALKIN' TEH FOREIGN AN' SPIEK AH PROPURR LANGUICH!".

[Immigrant]

I hope will get of those option and all of them should be effective except maybe personal AA which should be used more as a last resort or ambush then 1-on-1 method of engaging aircraft.

I myself personally will however most likely use either stationary or tank mounted AA turrets.

[PoisonTaco]

From the gameplay footage we've seen the air battles seem relatively close to the ground. I'd imagine that Galaxies and Liberators would still be effective at higher altitudes, at which point it would give AA on the ground a harder time.

[VoodooJanus]

Personally, I'm looking for an awesome engineer AA possibility (constructible turret) that provides a clearly marked area that's dangerous to the lighter aircraft and a mild annoyance to the galaxy or liberator, just enough so that sustained presence in the area is ill-advised, but passing through has only little effect. The more the two spheres of combat interact, the better IMO.

GtA Tanks, GtA MAXs and AtA fighters should be the ones doing the actual anti-air combat of course, but the engineer's solution would make for an excellent stopgap until the reinforcements arrive. It'd also be fun to send in the ground forces/ a team of infiltrators to take out the AA turrets so you can bring in the AtG fighter-bombers.

As for my thoughts on the other options:

GtA tanks: should be the be-all end-all in terms of damage to aircraft, simply because they're so much larger than the other options.

GtA MAXs: should be good, but do less damage, because they are more difficult to target and can move through terrain with relative impunity (compared to a tank anyhow.)

AtA fighters: should be the best option not because they do the most damage, but rather because they can follow other air targets with impunity, which the other options can't do, and similarly escape from GtA or AtA threats with relative ease, while tanks and MAX's are SOL if targeted by anti vehicle or anti infantry weapons.