THIS I want for PS2... - Page 2

Rolfski · 2012-11-17, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Sturmhardt

Oh, I guess I didn't get that memo that said it's only ONE particular group of people that determines if this game will be a success or not. Sorry, my bad...

Well, at least it's a group that should be taken seriously for this game. No need to play elitist here and call them kids.

Originally Posted by Sunrock

If that happens you will see 4634 posts per minutes demanding SOE to make this game to be exactly like COD. CoD players play CoD because they like that game and as soon as they try any other game they just demand it to be exactly like CoD.

And your point is? PS1 vets not acting the same? Anyway, let's stay on topic please.

Shogun · 2012-11-17, 02:51 PM

a tool like this would be awesome!

but sorry to highjack the thread, a tool like this would also demand vehicle boarding animations and visible holstered weapons to play out its full potential and spawn hundreds of brilliant machinimas!

Sturmhardt · 2012-11-17, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Rolfski

Well, at least it's a group that should be taken seriously for this game. No need to play elitist here and call them kids.

Uh...yeah I DO call them kids because the average CoD player IS a kid compared to me and many other vets, I am using this word literally. No need to be patronizing.

Littleman · 2012-11-17, 07:04 PM

I'm pretty sure a recording tool like found in many console shooters is well within the scope of PS2. The problem really would be file size however, since it's a matter of recording player movements and actions. That could potentially scale up to be more demanding than simply capturing a boring old video frame by frame. One would also have to load all of the continent to watch the action, even if the tool only records actions done within the player's connection radius (the boundary before the player isn't receiving data from other players beyond it.)

Rolfski · 2012-11-17, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Sturmhardt

Uh...yeah I DO call them kids because the average CoD player IS a kid compared to me and many other vets, I am using this word literally. No need to be patronizing.

Who's patronizing here?

Originally Posted by Littleman

I'm pretty sure a recording tool like found in many console shooters is well within the scope of PS2. The problem really would be file size however, since it's a matter of recording player movements and actions. That could potentially scale up to be more demanding than simply capturing a boring old video frame by frame. One would also have to load all of the continent to watch the action, even if the tool only records actions done within the player's connection radius (the boundary before the player isn't receiving data from other players beyond it.)

I guess you're right. It can be done but load times and file size would be a challenge if you want to make you're own video. Cloud storage might help here maybe.

Chewy · 2012-11-18, 02:44 AM

This might be possible. Just record all players/objects within a set area around the recording player (view distance at least) and only the X/Y/Z positions, degree facing, and actions (shoot, weapon swap, reload, standing/ducking) of all objects. There wouldn't be a need to render any of it so no audio or video to inflate the file size (main reason stuff like FRAPS makes HUGE fucking files) just pure data. Kinda like making a demo on a Source game, but at a much grander scale.

Without a need to render anything just get pure data Id bet the file sizes would be next to nothing compared to a standard video recordings a la FRAPS. Only when replaying the demo would things be rendered and given the GB eating audio and video. It could even make for a better FRAPS video because of it not hitting your FPS mid game and just maybe be able to record with a FPS hit all. With no live data feed hogging CPU and RAM there's more to go around.

Then again, we could be talking for nothing here. Recording this type of data is fine for server side as they never render anything to start with. Client side might not be able to even try if the code doesn't play nice with a live feed on top of rendering.

Rolfski · 2012-11-18, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Chewy

This might be possible. Just record all players/objects within a set area around the recording player (view distance at least) and only the X/Y/Z positions, degree facing, and actions (shoot, weapon swap, reload, standing/ducking) of all objects. There wouldn't be a need to render any of it so no audio or video to inflate the file size (main reason stuff like FRAPS makes HUGE fucking files) just pure data. Kinda like making a demo on a Source game, but at a much grander scale.

Without a need to render anything just get pure data Id bet the file sizes would be next to nothing compared to a standard video recordings a la FRAPS. Only when replaying the demo would things be rendered and given the GB eating audio and video. It could even make for a better FRAPS video because of it not hitting your FPS mid game and just maybe be able to record with a FPS hit all. With no live data feed hogging CPU and RAM there's more to go around.

Then again, we could be talking for nothing here. Recording this type of data is fine for server side as they never render anything to start with. Client side might not be able to even try if the code doesn't play nice with a live feed on top of rendering.

Although I'm not technical, I was thinking along these lines as well as a possible solution: record only data from the moving parts.

Another cool solution for the real die hards could be something in the lines of the Source Filmmaker tool for Team Fortress 2 .
It basically allows you to capture game play video and then change everything afterwards. Valve made some pretty cool movies with this.

Anyway, I'm curious with what SOE will come up with for this.

Chewy · 2012-11-18, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Rolfski

Although I'm not technical, I was thinking along these lines as well as a possible solution: record only data from the moving parts.

Another cool solution for the real die hards could be something in the lines of the Source Filmmaker tool for Team Fortress 2 .
It basically allows you to capture game play video and then change everything afterwards. Valve made some pretty cool movies with this.

Anyway, I'm curious with what SOE will come up with for this.

Question is. Is it worth the time to put something like this in where there's already video recording and streaming programs in the game? Kinda overkill to have all 3.

Rolfski · 2012-11-18, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Chewy

Question is. Is it worth the time to put something like this in where there's already video recording and streaming programs in the game? Kinda overkill to have all 3.

Basic streaming/recording is not good enough for this game. I agree it should be one tool though.

Chewy · 2012-11-18, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by Rolfski

Basic streaming/recording is not good enough for this game. I agree it should be one tool though.

My opinion would be to dump the recording bit. It doesn't have the quality need for anything great (the max I got from it was half of what FRAPS does). Streaming seemed fine from the dev streams.

If I had a choice of a demo or video recording, Id go for a demo every time. So much more can be done with a demo with both quality and file size, while not hitting FPS as hard on top.