Denial of PTSD Treatment for Soldiers - Page 2

WildGunsTomcat · 2012-06-21, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Warborn

That snide motherfucker laughed when someone asked about decriminalizing it during his online open house thing. Here's a guy who admitted to smoking marijuana and doing cocaine during highschool/college. What does he figure his chances of being President would have been had he, a young black man, been caught by the police during the first couple decades of the War on Drugs with pot or cocaine? Fucking zero. Not a chance. Barry laughs at the idea of decriminalizing a substance that he's used himself and, had he been unlucky enough to have been caught with, would have made him just another black man with a drug conviction.

When you're right, you're right.

StoneRhino · 2012-06-22, 05:04 AM

I don't see how most of the shit posted in this thread was about the actual topic. Sounded like a lot of people raging on about weed, pot, mary jane, whatever the fuck you want to call it. Nothing says "we care" like taking every chance you can get to rage on about something else over the actual topic. same ol ps community I see.

Anyone that would not have removed the terrorists after 9/11 is an idiot. Nothing says "please, abuse me some more!" like taking it and acting like nothing happened. I remember being disgusted when clinton was to busy banging monica to go after the sobs that attacked one of our ships and an embassy.

As for the actual topic, I honestly doubt that there are people just salivating at the idea of screwing over vets. I recall reading something about someone not getting treatment because of some possible abuse. I think there would be a lot of mad people out there since there are likely few people that are not related or friends with someone that has or is in the military. Thats not to say that they are getting, on average, enough help as they should. That is an entirely different animal.

To the person that was raging on about nothing anyone did was ever for his freedoms, be glad. Be very glad that you can say that. Its small minded as fuckin can be, and might as well go around slapping vets in the face for your small minded statement. I could explain why its small minded, but I feel that such reasoning would be impossible for you to comprehend for some time. There is a lot of ugly truth to this world that so many of us in 1st world nations have never seen, and therefore can never truly understand, that we can make such arrogant and ignorant comments about those willing to kill and die for the safety of the nation. As for the "hero worship" its because some people get it, even if they cannot put it to words, nor understand why they feel that way, they get it.

As for the treatments available, I think that there needs to be a bigger emphasis upon therapy, but also education before and after about what these individuals are going to see, do, and feel afterwards. I believe that therapy has become to much about the pills first, therapy later. I have met several individuals who have had therapy for various problems, but all of them are given something immediately. Its a cheap, fast bandaid for a problem that cuts deeper then a knife and is hard to detect.

Neurotoxin · 2012-06-22, 06:26 AM

If we wanted to remove terrorism with force, we would ave stopped doing business with Saudi Arabia and attacked them. That is where all the funding and armaments, and the root of the terrorist ideology (Saudi Wahhabism) is coming from. Its that fucking simple.

How are ill or wounded veterans going to rally together and demand treatment if most of their awake hours are spent surviving and dealing with their past trauma and injuries? If they manage to rally in DC, we have a repeat of the Bonus Army of 1932:
Why are there so many homeless veterans on the streets? They live in decent areas, they live in ghettos. What government would send someone to risk their life daily and not even have housing for them when they return? Why can't they get the best of health care, partial subsidies for living expenses like utilities and food? Why can't we get them free education? Money is a man-made construct after all, we can just print more of it.

When was the last time US military action was actually a good thing? Maybe World War I? Immediately after WWI America joined with other nations to support the anti-Communist White Army in Russia. They also funded the Nazi war machine, and Germany was supposed to kill the Communists instead of trying to take over Europe. So we helped with instigating the events leading up to WWII. After WWII, I can't really think of a major or minor war where we were ever attacked on US soil or legitimately attacked at sea by a warring nation, until 9/11, and so we've just been exercising imperialism and harsh anti-Communism and anti-Socialism because both systems are bad for business. So no, most soldiers aren't dying for the nation, they are dying for the agenda of corporate-sponsored (or corporation owning) politicians.

In a poor area, a high school of 185 had 35 students enlist. They don't need the education after they have been exposed to war, they need the education while they grow up so they can see how joining the military to fight an unjust and unpopular war is not noble or heroic in any way. Post-9/11 wars are all bullshit, like I said earlier, terrorism is funded and armed and promoted by our great trading partners in Saudia Arabia, whom we still rely on for oil because oil tycoons smeared and lobbied against switching to alternative energy and reducing petrol dependency overall. But without and education, people don't know or realize the significance of the dependency on oil and our relationship with Saudi Arabia.

You are right that its pills first, therapy later (if you survive the pills) in many cases. The care and treatment that veterans deserve (and often require) is not even close to being met by the VA. I know the military spends pennies on the dollar for even the most basic of things, but I don't see why we can't build a few less cruise missiles every month and split the money we save between veteran health care and public education.

Warborn · 2012-06-22, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by StoneRhino

I don't see how most of the shit posted in this thread was about the actual topic. Sounded like a lot of people raging on about weed, pot, mary jane, whatever the fuck you want to call it. Nothing says "we care" like taking every chance you can get to rage on about something else over the actual topic. same ol ps community I see.

What are you expecting, that we'll apologize and edit out our tangents so as to not offend your delicate sensibilities? Sometimes people stray from a topic if a more interesting one surfaces. Boo fucking hoo, I guess.

Warhound · 2012-06-24, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by StoneRhino

To the person that was raging on about nothing anyone did was ever for his freedoms, be glad. Be very glad that you can say that. Its small minded as fuckin can be, and might as well go around slapping vets in the face for your small minded statement. I could explain why its small minded, but I feel that such reasoning would be impossible for you to comprehend for some time. There is a lot of ugly truth to this world that so many of us in 1st world nations have never seen, and therefore can never truly understand, that we can make such arrogant and ignorant comments about those willing to kill and die for the safety of the nation. As for the "hero worship" its because some people get it, even if they cannot put it to words, nor understand why they feel that way, they get it.

No, please go on and explain to us good sir. I would love to hear your reasoning.

Neurotoxin · 2012-06-26, 02:49 PM

Military deaths, suicides lead to an 'opt out' campaign.

amtxgrl · 2012-11-16, 09:16 PM

You guys do know that it's not the militarys fault that they kind of suck right. Its really easy to forget that stuff like that comes from the top. Like the way top. Like the commander and chief top. One of the PRESIDENTS primary jobs: the military. The GOVERNMENT says what goes not the heads of each branch. Stop blaming them. They would never do that to their soldiers if it was their choice. You want to blame someone it should be Clinton, Bush and Obama! I have no idea WHO would give those people in the white house control of anything. This is what happens when our government "needs" to have a say. I'm not an anarchist I just believe we need to stop voting stupid people where they shouldn't be.

Baneblade · 2012-11-16, 09:52 PM

There is only a Commander-in-Chief when Congress officiates a Declaration of War.

Tooterfish · 2012-12-04, 05:03 PM

I've been to Iraq and Afghanistan 4 times. I've been a Medic for a little over 7 years. I've spent a total of 36 months deployed to a combat environment, where I currently am. I have 2 very personal issues with PTSD.

First, There are American civilians who volunteer to support us in many ways: from cooking, maintaining our equipment, making us comfortable on our time off, as well as providing reconnaissance, armed security and other services which keep us alive. Some of them do this for over 12 months or more without even a day off or R&R. These men and women get bombed by the same mortars, shot at by the same enemies, and rocketed by the same rockets we do. They share our living conditions, some times better, often times worse. Do you think any of them get to walk into work and get a severance package because - PTSD? In fact, where we come home to parades, civilians are coming home to another Monday at work and, from what I'm told, could be let go if they hint at an emotional problem at all associated with deploying.

Second, PTSD is becoming a marketable disorder in the medical-business world. Like ADD, more and more people are being convinced they have a serious disorder, when they don't. The problem here is mass hysteria, and an influx of people looking for attention. I know what you're thinking, big taboo thing to say, but hear me out.

PTSD effects a very small percentage of people who don't necessarily need to have seen combat in any way. Some people who suffer from the disorder have never witnessed anything "gory" beyond what they're playing in the movies at the MWR. So, when they're laughed at, spat on, and sent home to a discharge or refused one all together, it is no wonder why suicidal behavior takes over. So I blame two types of people on this one, greedy PTSD entrepreneurs, and fakers. These two types of people are why this topic is still controversial, instead of proceeding to become a curable illness.

Hope I didn't upset anyone, some good input in here.