NC weapons, is it just me? - Page 2

VaderShake · 2012-12-10, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Fujilives

They are in a rough situation, because if they increase NC accuracy, what's the differentiating trait between the factions? Even a step up in accuracy would put them the same as TR's accuracy but with more firepower.

I'm fine with that

Mavvvy · 2012-12-10, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by DjEclipse

Not to be too cruel but NC had really bad beta testers. You reap what you sow.
A typical NC beta tester reply to OP NC weapons during beta went, stop QQing!

Not helpful.
L
VS and TR had great testers imho and posted detailed posts of the state of the
game, which oddly enough would be interjected by NC with, stop QQing replies.

Who QQing now bitches?

The pox on you sir!! But yes you are totally right. The problem as well is a self fulfilling prophesy ie. New players read about all the stuff we are moaning about and base a faction choice accordingly.

<cough>So Ermmm Nc forever...<cough>

Ghoest9 · 2012-12-10, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by DjEclipse

Not to be too cruel but NC had really bad beta testers. You reap what you sow.
A typical NC beta tester reply to OP NC weapons during beta went, stop QQing!

Not helpful.

VS and TR had great testers imho and posted detailed posts of the state of the
game, which oddly enough would be interjected by NC with, stop QQing replies.

Who QQing now bitches?

That is an embarrassingly weak post.
In other words.....

Originally Posted by DjEclipse

Not helpful.

LexDecon · 2012-12-10, 02:07 PM

I've played since beta with the GD-22s. Before it I used the standard GAUSS SAW and loved it.

I went with the GD-22s because it fits my play style more.

Last night I hit Auraxium Medal with the GD-22s. it means I've hit 1000 kills with the GD-22s.

I've been torn up by VS, and been torn up by TR. I know how the GD-22s works its recoil, how it functions to me and what I need to do to make it work. I like NC weapons.

Do I think there are a few issues with them? Sure. How do I compensate for those issues?

Change my engagement style. If I don't have to engage VS close up. I don't, If I do, I make sure I have guys with me so we can overwhelm them with fire power.

If I engage TR I make sure I have guys with me so I can overwhelm them with fire power.

Sure they may get me. But I guarantee the rest of my squad will ruin their day.

Even when our Infiltrators are doing their snooping and pooping thing. We run with at least three inf's and a medic and an engineer set up and do sniper interdiction. We overwhelm the target with fire power.

Team work baby. Its groovy! Weapons are weapons, the Dev's are tracking they will do their best to balance as best they can. When they are balanced people will STILL complain. So why Complain. learn to use them, adapt improvise and overwhelm them with firepower!

Aurmanite · 2012-12-10, 02:18 PM

I've played TR almost exclusively through beta and since launch. Today I wanted to see for myself how the NC guns handled. While I only played for about an hour which isn't really long enough to get a proper feel, I found myself kicking plenty of ass.

As soon as I could I slapped a reflex sight on the SAW and on the carbine and I just went about my business.

I could hardly tell the difference really.

RSphil · 2012-12-10, 02:27 PM

i like the NC weapons but the recoil is a killer and tbh makes no sense. the TR fire a million rounds with very little recoil. which as we all know is wrong. if you fully auto a weapon the recoil and spread is nuts. i think the TR and the NC recoil should be swapped. i tried TR and nailed 3 guys in 10 seconds as HA, when im Nc i always loose such fights. i use HA on NC from mid range and even long range. the NC weapons need recoil lowered or swapped with TR. i even have the compensator on the HA weapon and it still has too much of a kick.

Beerbeer · 2012-12-10, 03:01 PM

I started NC, worked to BR24, played my TR to BR23, went back to NC over the weekend, and man, the differences suck for me after playing TR for more than a week.

Not just the guns, but everything. Fast ROF has big advantages in this game where everything dies so fast.

I think everyone has an opinion on the NC infantry weapons already. But after playing in the mosquito and prowler for a while, I feel way more exposed playing in the reaver and vanguard now, at least insofar as how I play.

I can unload a full barrage of rockets and be gone a lot faster than the reaver because of the rof. My exposure to enemy fire is less and that can mean big differences IMO.

And the vanguard, at least in regards to HE infantry farming, is like night and day VS the prowler. If you just play the vanguard, you think it's great, but after playing the prowler for a week, it's kind of lackluster. First, it's harder to hit targets while zoomed in because there's a big barrel drift compared to the prowler. Secondly, each prowler shot can take out infantry just as well as the single vanguard shot, meaning I can farm for twice as long and kill twice as much before reloading.

The nc infantry guns seem nice to some because they're so streaky in the way they are designed. That means you'll wtf pwn some, while barely scratching others during different situations. People, especially from other empires who already have preconceived notions and biased views, will reinforce their thoughts with the former and tend to discount encounters where the latter came out. Human nature, because most people do these things looking simply to reinforce the ideas they already have, discounting everything else.

Aurmanite · 2012-12-10, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Beerbeer

People, especially from other empires who already have preconceived notions and biased views, will reinforce their thoughts with the former and tend to discount encounters where the latter came out. Human nature, because most people do these things looking simply to reinforce the ideas they already have, discounting everything else.

Confirmation bias is the official term for that.

I need to get in a bit more time with the NC and see how it goes. Finals are over Friday so there will be a gratuitous amounts of 'testing'.

seanman · 2012-12-10, 03:16 PM

it's the trick when i used AK47 at CS. Controlling recoil with memory muscle. 1st you must have a ultimate weapons for you it depends on you what weapon you like.
You can use PKM bf2 and bursting very good because you know the pattern and your memory muscle remembered how to control the recoil. And you used PKM for a long time.
Same as NC weapons, need more time, when your memory muscle can controll it you will shoot everybody easily with high power.

IronDragon · 2012-12-10, 03:34 PM

I'm going to do some more experiments today as NC, and I'll be doing it on the East Coast Waterson server. My other NC character is on a West Coast server, and although I don't visably lag in game, I want to take any question of ping out of the experiment.

Is there a way to display your ping in game?

Ghoest9 · 2012-12-10, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by seanman

it's the trick when i used AK47 at CS. Controlling recoil with memory muscle. 1st you must have a ultimate weapons for you it depends on you what weapon you like.
You can use PKM bf2 and bursting very good because you know the pattern and your memory muscle remembered how to control the recoil. And you used PKM for a long time.
Same as NC weapons, need more time, when your memory muscle can controll it you will shoot everybody easily with high power.

The NC "recoil" problem isnt the way the gun moves along a recoil vector its the COF bloom.

Its really easy to learn to compensate for the directional recoil but bursting to limit bloom properly in a game with such quick TTK is tricky for most people.

Figment · 2012-12-10, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Beerbeer

And the vanguard, at least in regards to HE infantry farming, is like night and day VS the prowler. If you just play the vanguard, you think it's great, but after playing the prowler for a week, it's kind of lackluster. First, it's harder to hit targets while zoomed in because there's a big barrel drift compared to the prowler. Secondly, each prowler shot can take out infantry just as well as the single vanguard shot, meaning I can farm for twice as long and kill twice as much before reloading.

The real purpose of the Vanguard:

http://imgur.com/a/dXOcb

Palerion · 2012-12-10, 04:20 PM

Well guys I'm a TR player and I've got to say, you NC guys are not just a bunch of whiners. Your guns have too many cons and not nearly enough pros. I used to play NC but switched to TR because I couldn't handle the NC weapons (and I thought TR looked cooler

). Seriously though, I know you NC guys aren't just whining. It's a real problem and I hope the devs can boost you guys a bit without overdoing it and making your weapons OP like battlefield 3's devs do.

Whiteagle · 2012-12-10, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by figment

the real purpose of the vanguard:

http://imgur.com/a/dxocb

omg op!!!
narf the vungard barral lengh!!!

Infernalis · 2012-12-10, 04:51 PM

On the official forums it's a joke, some even go full troll and claim NC weapons and vehicles are OP.

Most NC weapons are slightly underpowered (maybe not all, some are ok with attachments), the problem is you can feel it and it becomes annoying over time. Couple that to the fact a lot of outfits are going VS or TR because it's more advantageous means NC are even weaker on most servers (especially EU servers).

I was leveling a TR char but stopped because I spent too much SC on my NC char. I'm sick of being the faction with always the least territory and with the lack of metagame I can see myself playing less and less.