Empire Specific AV, Where's the Lancers? - Page 2

WSNeo · 2013-05-10, 09:55 AM

I see GOKU outfit on Mattherson using them all the time.. A few weeks ago they completely stopped the NC Esamir Alert Zerg in their tracks by setting up a platoon outside of a bridge/frozen lake choke point. Anything not purple didn't stay alive for more than a few seconds.

hashish · 2013-05-10, 10:15 AM

lol thats a funny video with the music n stuff haha

But ye i must say it is kinda unfortunate that Vanu doesnt get as much love as the other factions.. It is fair to say SOE has fucked up the VS since beta really.. I used to really like T_ray n stuff but all these guys have ruined VS big time with their crappy designs and absolutely SHIT ES weapons.. except for the lancer, its the only decent one.. and im a ps1 vet that used to play as VS for yearrrs..

The lancer is actually a pretty good weapon, its just that it requires much more skill to use than the other ES AV launchers. I also think the charge up thing just sucks balls, really adds 10x more skill and difficulty to using it as you have to follow and track your moving target (which is really really hard from a distance), Then you have to have your weapons charged or charge it and time your shots along with tracking an inch or so infront of your target, and what makes it even more HARD is that the bloody velocity changes on each charge so its very very very annoying to predict different velocities.. If you decide to shoot without charge and spam shots, you will get noticed becuase of a BIG blue trails coming from ur face lol and you will die shortly

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They really should remove the charge thing and jus let it fire normally with full damage and velocity. The single charge shots actually dont DO SHITT ! so there is 0 point in having it..

Also it would be nice if they add the old lancer sound since all the other ES AV launchers have a distinct and threatening sound.. The lancer sounds like SHIT lol but does seem to work pretty well in groups for the most part..

ThatGoatGuy · 2013-05-10, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by PredatorFour

The Striker is probably the best AV/AA weapon in the game and seems to be quite buggy too. In a scythe it seems impossible to shake off with terrain (possibly goes through terrain?) and sometimes with lag you get locked on then get hit instantly.

New tracking system with ALL lockon missiles. Moves around terrain and shit and it virtually impossible to dodge, which is why you should always be running flares if you are flying up against TR.

Gatekeeper · 2013-05-10, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by ThatGoatGuy

New tracking system with ALL lockon missiles. Moves around terrain and shit and it virtually impossible to dodge, which is why you should always be running flares if you are flying up against TR.

That might be true for A2A lockons, but my A2G lockon missiles just randomly plough into the ground instead of following their target about 30% of the time. Stupid missiles

PredatorFour · 2013-05-10, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by ThatGoatGuy

New tracking system with ALL lockon missiles. Moves around terrain and shit and it virtually impossible to dodge, which is why you should always be running flares if you are flying up against TR.

Thing is, you release your flares and still get hit alot of the time. Or you see the lock on and get hit immediately.

KarrdeBRBU · 2013-05-10, 12:33 PM

We use Lancers constantly. They're really nasty, esp in groups.

Dragonskin · 2013-05-10, 12:48 PM

Most of the big outfits have lancer users on Mattherson. I know I have seen GOKU in force a few times, but I have also seen AT, GOTR, and TEST pull out more than a few if the situation calls for it.

There was one night not too long ago that the TR were trying to attack a VS held base in the desert area of Indar and no TR vehicles stood a chance. All you saw were streams of lancers.. then of course someone from GOKU yelling about the Ginyu Force lol.

Personally I love my Lancer more so than my Striker.

RANDOMpercent · 2013-05-10, 12:52 PM

I actually like the lancer. The optimal range is pretty far so you can snipe tanks. It does have a bit of a learning curb but you get used to it after having used it for a couple hours. I've spent a while defending Indar excavation site from a stream of sunderers coming out of Quartz Ridge. The only things that are really hard to hit are flashes, ESFs, and newly harassers.

Assist · 2013-05-10, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Gatekeeper

I've not seen anyone complain about the Vortex - but I've also not seen it used much. And the stats someone posted in another thread on AV suggested it's the least used and least effective (in terms of kills earned) of the new MAX AV weapons.

Can't comment from personal experience either way, but it seems clear that regardless of whether they're theoretically effective or not, a lot of people aren't that keen on the Lancer or Vortex as they stand right now - or at least not keen enough to spend actual money on them.

I chalk this up to player ignorance :P They simply don't know how good they are because they don't see anyone else using them. It's like how Tank mines and Prox Mines were on release, no one used them but they were way more effective back then than they are now. I pulled my highest score/hr ever using the Vortex exclusively for two hours the day they released, more than I ever earned during double xp christmas holiday week.

Rbstr · 2013-05-10, 01:39 PM

XoO has a bunch of lancers. It's devastating when you can get clear lines of sight. Esamir, for instance.

It'd be nice if the Vortex would use the lancer's timing instead of firing right away on full charge. I've only trialed it, but I thought it was decent.
Part of its lower usage must be that it's not nearly as good as killing infantry as the other two.

Ruffdog · 2013-05-10, 02:02 PM

I won't lie to you. If I see a heavy packing a lancer, they're the first to get both barrels.

Frotang · 2013-05-10, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Gatekeeper

Maybe this is just one of those quirks of different servers then - or perhaps I just don't notice Lancers on Cobalt because I'm not the one they're shooting at.

Would be interesting to see the relative usage statistics for the various AV weapons...

Here you go:

Phoenix: vehics destroyed-483286; users-29622; play time-37023 Hrs
Striker: vehics destroyed-468648; users-30935; play time-40567 Hrs
Lancer: vehics destroyed-230390; users-26148; play time-19018 Hrs

Here they are listed by avg. Vehic kills per hr using the total play time.

Phoenix: 13.054
Striker: 11.552
Lancer: 12.115

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