Let's be very careful..

[Tasorin]

At least Smed's has improved from his SWG days.

I still have scars from that train wreck.

The interaction level is quality and to be commended as far as Higby, T-Ray and the others on this project go. The problem is people are chomping at the bit to get into this game and can only withstand so many teasers before people start freaking out.

Empire slogan contest was good interaction on the part of SoE and all, but not the blockbuster news we fall asleep thinking about.

*cough* Beta Date *cough*

[Crator]

Originally Posted by Tasorin

The problem is people are chomping at the bit to get into this game and can only withstand so many teasers before people start freaking out.

Okay, no more teasers then... Or fans will blow up!

[Traak]

I'd rather have Beta a year late and perfectly ready than a minute early and a crappy, poorly-laid-out, incomplete disaster.

[Papscal]

Originally Posted by Hamma

Not to take for granted what the Devs are doing for us.

I've seen quite a few complaints recently about things not living up to expectations.. and I wanted to make sure that people realize what is going on here. I know this is not the majority of folks but I thought it important to make a post on it.

I was around for the entire launch of PlanetSide 1 from very early beta right up until the release day and for many years after. I got to see first hand the PR and Marketing for that game. I also got to interact with the Developers much more than the community did. Everything was very structured and.. often times awkward.

What we are seeing now for PlanetSide 2 is almost the polar opposite from what I experienced back in late 2002 early 2003. The devs especially are extremely excited to interact with the community on many levels, almost anyone has access to talk to a dev if they want to. And the devs are more than willing to interact with and answer questions for the community and fans. Heck the devs even come live on the air and talk about the game.

Take a look at any other game in development out there right now, I'd challenge anyone to find anything even remotely similar to what we have here.

We have it good folks - we know the devs are reading the forums and listening to our feedback. We know this because they post here and talk about it on social media.

So remember when there is another broadcast or something that the Devs do not even have to do it. They are doing it for us, the community.

Is this really necessary? Speaking down to people as if they are premees? If this actually is necessary to post, PSU has not been policeing its members very well or its a community filled with adolesent chumps. And i know the ladder is not true, i have found most PSU members to be smart and respectfull. And those that are not respectfull to members and PS2 devs alike should have been chucked and posts like this would not be necessary. I dont post here often but i read these forums nearly daily. And to read a thread like this posted by an admin is dissapointing and embarassing toPSU.

[Raymac]

Originally Posted by Papscal

Is this really necessary? Speaking down to people as if they are premees? If this actually is necessary to post, PSU has not been policeing its members very well or its a community filled with adolesent chumps. And i know the ladder is not true, i have found most PSU members to be smart and respectfull. And those that are not respectfull to members and PS2 devs alike should have been chucked and posts like this would not be necessary. I dont post here often but i read these forums nearly daily. And to read a thread like this posted by an admin is dissapointing and embarassing toPSU.

OK, I'll bite. Hamma can stick up for himself, but I'm going to weigh in anyways. Considering the recent thread (http://www.planetside-universe.com/f...ad.php?t=38178) I think his post was absolutely necessary. It needed to be said by somebody, and who is going to say it? You? Me? Or maybe, just maybe, that's a job for the mods, but it's best if it comes from Hamma the grand poobah himself.

Personally, I think the mods do a great job of regulating around here. They handle the d-bags, but they arn't quick on the trigger to do so. They give people the benefit of doubt, but if the blatant trolling continues, they take care of it. They are able to do that while still allowing spirited and passionate debate which is one of the main reasons there is excellent debate on this forum.

So get the frack off your high horse, and don't knock Hamma for giving people a reality check which, if you go back and read this thread, was very well received in the spirit in which it was meant. "Embarrassment"? Hardly.

[Xyntech]

Some people deserve bans. Other people don't deserve being banned, but still post unconstructive, negative comments that can bring down the community a little.

Sometimes people just need a little perspective. That's all Hamma's post was.

The devs find a great, welcoming community here and in return they have given us a huge amount of access and interaction. We don't want to see that go.

At the same time, I don't think any of us want to see PSU have to turn into some nazi-esque board that bans people over every little snarky comment or poor choice of wording. Policing the board is one thing, but turning it into a police state is another.

So Hamma walks a fine line. Keep the board from turning into a cesspool of negativity that the devs don't want to go near, while still allowing a healthy, free, and open level of debate.

Disagreement breeds a good community. Disparagement can destroy a good community. Keep walking that line Hamma. I know I'm certainly not cut out for that kind of responsibility.

[SuperMorto]

Big them up,
Big them up,
Let them not be sad,
or remotely mad!

Get the best from the crew
Let them show us what they can do!

Big them up big them up!

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Not sure where that came from

[Crator]

Originally Posted by Papscal

Is this really necessary? Speaking down to people as if they are premees? If this actually is necessary to post, PSU has not been policeing its members very well or its a community filled with adolesent chumps. And i know the ladder is not true, i have found most PSU members to be smart and respectfull. And those that are not respectfull to members and PS2 devs alike should have been chucked and posts like this would not be necessary. I dont post here often but i read these forums nearly daily. And to read a thread like this posted by an admin is dissapointing and embarassing toPSU.

If you've never experienced the flamers, trolls, and SOE haters that existed a few years back (on the SOE PS1 forums too) then you don't know what it was like. Hamma is doing a good job policing imo... Also, PS2 devs are reading and replying to threads all the time here... We don't want to give them a reason to stop do we?

[Miir]

I think it's pretty clear that the dev team is as passionate about making the game as the PS community is to play the game. It's probably safe to say both sides want this game to be successful or we wouldn't be here.

That said currently the relationship is very one sided and the dev team needs to know that the community waits with bated breath for any new piece of information. Perhaps Higby's hyping a big announcement could have been done a little differently. Maybe all he needed to do is add the word contest in there and most of this backlash could have been avoided.

I'm sure that wasn't done intentionally. It's pretty clear as most people have posted that this level of interaction with the community is unheard of from a developer. So maybe we are in uncharted waters with what is good or bad protocol for communication. Maybe that is why it's not usually done? Maybe it could end up being bad in the long run? I don't know. So far I think it's been pretty awesome.

Maybe all the dev's need to know is what we want to hear about? (ie. Beta, Media, Game Info). I assume that's pretty obvious but maybe it's not?

We are in the learning curve stage of this communication as much as the dev's are but it'll smooth out I'm sure in time.

Hamma keep doing your thing man. You guys do a great job moderating PSU. I love not having to waste time reading through threads that have nothing to do with Planetside 2 and I'm glad you guys keep the E-drama to a minimum.

[BuzzCutPsycho]

Not to take for granted what the Devs are doing for us.

What, using a fan site to generate a little bit of hype over a project that is pretty far away? Please. Nobody here should be "Thankful" that the current developers of SoE are doing what they should be doing for once and interacting with the community. I'm not going to be "thankful" for something that is pretty much part of the industry norm now. Developers have been interacting with fan sites and communities for years and SoE is just now finally starting that.

I've seen quite a few complaints recently about things not living up to expectations.. and I wanted to make sure that people realize what is going on here. I know this is not the majority of folks but I thought it important to make a post on it.

That's called criticism. If you don't constructively criticize a product you'll end up with another Warhammer: Online. I don't see anybody being unjustly critical of the game but I do see people voicing serious concern over SoE repeating the same mistakes that they made with PS1. Asking softball questions and not addressing major concerns is just as bad as shitting on the game without any real concise reason.

Does it really need to be said? SoE has not launched a successful game since EQ1/SWG and have single handily managed to ruin and kill each and every one of their games. PS1 was a haphazardly made game using the EQ1 engine which took several years to finally begin proper content updates. Do you not remember how the original PS1 dev team was all fired/quit and the new coders had no idea what was going on? Do you not remember that when they added their first new weapon (That semi auto sniper rifle) it was simply chopped up and made from existing models (STRIKER) in the game because they were unable to figure out how to import new ones? It took nearly a year AFTER that to finally put in genuine new content and by then the game was already dead and not worth playing.

I was around for the entire launch of PlanetSide 1 from very early beta right up until the release day and for many years after. I got to see first hand the PR and Marketing for that game. I also got to interact with the Developers much more than the community did. Everything was very structured and.. often times awkward.

See above. I was one of the original 100 closed beta winners and was a semi frequent poster back in 2003 prior to PS1 launch. I know exactly what everything was like back then.

What we are seeing now for PlanetSide 2 is almost the polar opposite from what I experienced back in late 2002 early 2003. The devs especially are extremely excited to interact with the community on many levels, almost anyone has access to talk to a dev if they want to. And the devs are more than willing to interact with and answer questions for the community and fans. Heck the devs even come live on the air and talk about the game.

Yes. That's all well and good but don't act like that is something new. Perhaps that is something new to SoE but I know for a fact that pre-WoW launch Blizzard was that way, RIFT, and even TOR are that way. Back in PS1 you also had the monthly pod-cast with Smokejumper and Sporkfire if I remember correctly. You know... before those guys were fired/quit.

Take a look at any other game in development out there right now, I'd challenge anyone to find anything even remotely similar to what we have here.

RIFT, TOR, Wasn't that much of a challenge to find. If I dug a bit deeper I bet I'd find even more.

We have it good folks - we know the devs are reading the forums and listening to our feedback. We know this because they post here and talk about it on social media.

http://planetside.station.sony.com/c...y/fan_sites.vm - You're right! They use pretty much the only available fan site to post.

So remember when there is another broadcast or something that the Devs do not even have to do it. They are doing it for us, the community.

I am sure it is all done out of the kindness of their hearts and not as a cheap marketing method. Are you new to the industry or something?

This is SoE. People thought that DC:U was going to be a massive turn around for the company and they proved that they're still just as incompetent as ever. If I wasn't such a big PlanetSide 1 fan I'd never even give this game a second look. I personally hope that I end up being wrong in each and every one of my criticisms. I hope I am made to eat my words and PS2 becomes the next WoW in terms of success. Unfortunately for me and many others that probably wont be the case.

Remember that people are critical of PlanetSide 2 because of the love they have for PlanetSide 1. Do you think if people truly didn't give a shit they'd waste their time posting on a fan site or doing their best to voice genuine concern? No. They'd just write it off as just another shit MMO that will end up dying in a month or two like every other one since WoW came out in 2004.

[Tasorin]

Originally Posted by Crator

If you've never experienced the flamers, trolls, and SOE haters that existed a few years back (on the SOE PS1 forums too) then you don't know what it was like.

For a stretch there SoE got a lot of what they deserved. They blew up AAA titles that were right on the cusp of blockbuster status only to be totally borked by the SoE decision making process (See top down direction from bean counters and suits at Sony Entertainment).

PlanetSide 1
Star Wars Galaxies
EverQuest 2

I mean, for a stretch there they had a string of really stinking it up and making bad decisions that caused these game to be greatly diminished. But I do agree there are limits to pointing out failures and just being a douche bag troll just for the sake of trolling SoE.

Some of those posts in that thread aren't trolling or bashing Higby, they are pointing out that a "Empire Slogan" mini-game for PS2 Swag doesn't rate as a "Blockbuster" announcement in there book. That was where the disappointment was being driven from.

[Hamma]

Originally Posted by BuzzCutPsycho

blahblah wahhh wahhh

Yay for missing the entire point!

Thanks to all the folks in the community who understand where I am coming from. And here is to predictable responses from the usual suspects with only their virtual e-penises in mind.

[BuzzCutPsycho]

Hahaha! That's rich.

[Hamma]

Originally Posted by BuzzCutPsycho

Hahaha! That's rich.

What is rich is you missing the entire intent of my post. Not to look a gift horse in the mouth. It's not rocket science, I am not asking people to ignore what has happened or forget PlanetSide. I am simply saying let's not flame the devs if they don't give us what we expect when they are in fact doing it outside of what Marketing has planned for them AND risking their jobs to do it.

If we did not have this interaction, we would be waiting months between releases.

[BuzzCutPsycho]