After being a Premium Member, I gotta say Paying is a big advantage, hidden P2W - Page 5

Shogun · 2013-06-19, 09:45 AM

it´s not pay2win.

a new player with money can´t buy any battle advantage over a long term free player at all.

the sissies who akt butthurt because some weapons can also be bought with money, or because subscribers get more xp always forget that this is not an arena game with matchmaking.

in planetside you encounter new and veteran players alike. so it doesn´t matter at all if your enemy is a free veteran player, or a subscribing new player.
the advantage you can buy would only be of importance, when you would only encounter players with the same playtime you have yourself. in this case a bought advantage would have been unfair, but not as it is now.

you can get the exact same things and powers in the game as freeplayer and as paying member. free players just need to play longer to get them. but free players could still hunt br1 players if they feel they want to have an advantage over someone for free.

the only thing that could be considered unfair is the ressourcegain bonus, since less ressources mean you can´t draw a vehicle whenever you like. but there still is a ressource revamp incoming that may change this issue.

Bags · 2013-06-19, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Falcon_br

So, have an unlimited uses do tanks/maxes/explosives do not give you and advantage over the other players?
I don't think you notice since I started paying my k/d is up from 0,9 to 1,8 an increasing each day.

wow 1.8? ONE POINT EIGHT KILL PER DEATH?

ps2 is p2w, wow case closed I'm sold.

Figment · 2013-06-19, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Bags

wow 1.8? ONE POINT EIGHT KILL PER DEATH?

ps2 is p2w, wow case closed I'm sold.

It's mostly the doubling of the K/D he is refering to, not the exact number.

moosepoop · 2013-06-19, 11:25 AM

a lot of good weapons got their prices lowered, ps2 is no way p2w.

Rahabib · 2013-06-19, 03:41 PM

IMO, its P2W, but its not nearly as bad as most other F2P games. When I can buy subscriptions with certs then maybe it will blur the line.

Dougnifico · 2013-06-20, 01:36 AM

On the topic of advantages. I'm currently learning to fly a mossie. I have +100% xp boost and +100% resource boost (Alpha squad + auraxium member). I can pull a mossie more often than a free player, but that doesn't make me good. I have logged far more flight time than many of the people who constantly kill me. This is because I am a shitty pilot. The only thing I have done with my ability to pull ESF's without as much concern for resource is provide a more target rich environment. That is an advantage for the free players. It is not pay to win, because regardless, I still suck and their superior skill eats me alive. In fact, i probably run out of resources faster simply because I go through so many damned mossies so fast.

Falcon_br · 2013-06-20, 01:46 AM

You guys can say whatever you want, my point is already said, if you don't agree it is your opinion.
The bonus of having unlimited resources, camouflage (that I do not care what you think, most people agree it works) and receiving lots of certs without playing the game is one advantage free members will never have.
I fail to see where this is different from other free mmorpg where you must pay to have access to better gear, it is the same.
People with worst gear will always be able to kill people on good gear, this is true in all p2w games, they are just not liked to succeed, it is the same on planetside, I do die when I met other paying or high ranks players, but today I defended alone a capture point from waves of 6 enemies, I killed then, healed myself with medkit, resupply on a hacked terminal, they came back I killed the 6 one more time, they had no chance because I had the perfect weapon and equipment for it, been called a hacker plenty of times since I started paying because I have almost all weapons in the game and always use the right one on the right situation. I didn't play to have it, I paid! I could have more certs if I were a subscriber since day 1, but on that time the p2w model were not as clear as it is now, they didn't receive lots of extra certs and the free member received more then the double of certs they are receiving now.
So, a person with all weapons, infinite resources, plenty of certs and camouflage that didn't play for that, just paid, does not have an advantage, I fail to see where the world is a just place to live. Most other mmorpgs with premium gear are more just to the free players.
I did defend the game on the release day, because you could not buy certs, now that you can with membership, I no longer do false claims just because I love it, I just started paying.

Ps: sometimes my k/d get over 40, it is easy, just get on a good liberator and hack up those kills, or get on a tank with HE, find a Zerg, stay behind it farming the enemy infantry and yay, you have a great k/d! But I refuse to do that, I am always the person who flips the point or blow the enemy sunderer, my k/d suffers a lot because of that, but I play to have fun, not to have a great k/d, I have already checked, most people with high k/d do exactly what I told here, the only exception were the scat maxes users, that no longer have those ridiculous k/d, but they do retain a good party of the old one.

Stew · 2013-06-20, 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by Dreamcast

That free month of being a premium member really opened up my eyes.

I had Premium membership which gives you 25% Xp/Resources and I also used my 50% XP Boost.

When I played the game, I always had Med kits and grenades at full....I was rich.
et their favorite vehicles/consumables fast but I think it should be canned IMO.

PAY to win is basically givving better items , gears etc... EXCLUSIVELY to those who pay for those items , their is NO exclusive items in PS2 unless they are cosmetics

the XP boost help to get more variety faster , but just look at my stats ( Sew360 ) and you will notice that my most used weapons is the Basic gauss riffles with only 1 single atachements on it lol No scopes

So yeah ... All the extra xp does is one thing it allow me to certs in more classes and i can be more an all around players 50 % faster , if another guys is equally skills and make as much point as i do without a boost

Planetside 2 isnt a pay to win by any mean , and it do not allow anyones to get $$$ exclusive power or weapons

SO NO it isnt a Pay to win by any mean , its convenience or cosmetics

If you are a littles respectfull to this game then at least put 60 $ on 2X or 3X stations cash days and you will get something that worth it

if you think weapons X or Y are better go ahead and pay for them

I havent pay for any weapons exept 1 and its because it was like 100 sc lol and i though my certs was worthing more than that lol

Also i mostly prefer the basic weapons overs the ones you unlock even if i still have almost all of them unlock atm lol

ive unlock them via certs and it as been a good run lots of time spend and efforts

want a tips ? Play medics revive peoples in big battles upgrade your medic kit first to res and heal faster , even whiout any bonus certs will flow like water in a rivers so yeah

camycamera · 2013-06-20, 08:06 PM

this game is not pay to win. you only get stuff faster.

and i could go out and get say a commissioner right now, for 1000 certs. but i dont want to.

also, i am f2p

Rahabib · 2013-06-20, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by camycamera

this game is not pay to win. you only get stuff faster.

and i could go out and get a commissioner right now, for 1000 certs. but i dont want to.

also, i am f2p

It's the resources that makes a separation. If player A can spawn vehicles more often, there an advantage. a f2p player can't equal the same resource generation, no matter how good or how much they play.

Just to be clear, I don't think it's as bad as most games however.

Dreamcast · 2013-06-21, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by Stew

PAY to win is basically givving better items , gears etc... EXCLUSIVELY to those who pay for those items , their is NO exclusive items in PS2 unless they are cosmetics

the XP boost help to get more variety faster , but just look at my stats ( Sew360 ) and you will notice that my most used weapons is the Basic gauss riffles with only 1 single atachements on it lol No scopes

So yeah ... All the extra xp does is one thing it allow me to certs in more classes and i can be more an all around players 50 % faster , if another guys is equally skills and make as much point as i do without a boost

Planetside 2 isnt a pay to win by any mean , and it do not allow anyones to get $$$ exclusive power or weapons

SO NO it isnt a Pay to win by any mean , its convenience or cosmetics

If you are a littles respectfull to this game then at least put 60 $ on 2X or 3X stations cash days and you will get something that worth it

if you think weapons X or Y are better go ahead and pay for them

I havent pay for any weapons exept 1 and its because it was like 100 sc lol and i though my certs was worthing more than that lol

Also i mostly prefer the basic weapons overs the ones you unlock even if i still have almost all of them unlock atm lol

ive unlock them via certs and it as been a good run lots of time spend and efforts

want a tips ? Play medics revive peoples in big battles upgrade your medic kit first to res and heal faster , even whiout any bonus certs will flow like water in a rivers so yeah

Bro...Did you even read what I wrote? I played this game since it came out, and in beta...I remember talking to u in PS2 forums.

I said that the game isn't Pay 2 Win in the sense of 1 vs 1 confrontations...I agree the stock weapons are some of the best weapons in the game.

The point Im trying to make is that their a hidden P2W in the game.

I have no problem with Cert XP....since that is really convenience, getting certs to get another side grade gun...I see no problem.

On the topic of advantages. I'm currently learning to fly a mossie. I have +100% xp boost and +100% resource boost (Alpha squad + auraxium member). I can pull a mossie more often than a free player, but that doesn't make me good. I have logged far more flight time than many of the people who constantly kill me. This is because I am a shitty pilot. The only thing I have done with my ability to pull ESF's without as much concern for resource is provide a more target rich environment. That is an advantage for the free players. It is not pay to win, because regardless, I still suck and their superior skill eats me alive. In fact, i probably run out of resources faster simply because I go through so many damned mossies so fast.

But you still get more Planes than a free player...That effects the game directly.

Just because you arn't good doesn't mean it is right...Their is countless of players who are average that have a nice advantage because they have way more resources than new players.

Sorry but Resources are a sort of p2w because it effects the game directly.

Having more access to tanks,aircraft,instant kill mines,etc does matter.

Resource boost is not convenience...Convenience is Certs because you get to buy things that arn't really that much more powerful, just sidegrades like weapons.

Resources...You buy things that just benifit you like a tank,proxy mine,Aircraft......Sorry that isn't a sidegrade.

What I do have a problem with is Resource Boost....That is kind of P2W....A person can have way more resources than a free player thus he has an in game advantage since with those resources he can get more of certain things

That is kind of Pay 2 win.

OCNSethy · 2013-06-21, 02:36 AM

Okay... Im convinced, PS2 is P2W... kinda

Now what? What are we going to do about it?

I guess this is one of those rhetorical threads to explore a rather vague concept that no one really understands but has an opinion none the less.

Seriously, does it matter?

/rant off

Emperor Newt · 2013-06-21, 04:44 AM

Originally Posted by moosepoop

a lot of good weapons got their prices lowered, ps2 is no way p2w.

mostly the shitty ones. instead of fixing them...

Forsaken One · 2013-06-21, 07:25 AM

The game is p2w now for the simple fact a paying member can spam tanks/air/maxs.

But now non paying members have to get farmed by such while waiting 10-30 minutes or so for their resources to refill.

Dreamcast · 2013-06-21, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by OCNSethy

Okay... Im convinced, PS2 is P2W... kinda

Now what? What are we going to do about it?

I guess this is one of those rhetorical threads to explore a rather vague concept that no one really understands but has an opinion none the less.

Seriously, does it matter?

/rant off

It does because the whole game reolves around resources lol.

We are fighting for 10% discount on resources

and you can tell that SOE wants to make Resources matter with the last vehicle price increase.

How can resources matter if some guy is getting resource so quickly?

Is Pay 2 Win when it comes to resources.

Certs XP = convenience since it progresses u faster to get sidegrades,options,slight upgrades etc....nothing wrong with that.

However

Resources XP = The ability to buy more benefits thus more power...No downside to that

Their is not downside to have as many Medical kits,instakill Proxy mines, c4 as you want....absolutely zero.

Their is no downside to having the option on get Tanks/Planes/etc whenever you want.

Resources = Power.

or else why does resources discounts when you takeover a continent are only 10%?

Imagine if they were 50%.......Is obvious that the empire with 50% reduce cost will have a huge advantage....This the reason they only give is a slight 10% price reduction.