Originally Posted by Sobekeus
Are you saying you want to gun and drive in TPV?
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AFAIC,
everyone should have a form of third person, because this is not a FPS game. Tbh, "MMOFPS" has always been a bad label since it implies first person oriented playing. PS1 was played predominantly in third person until you needed to fire. MMO Combined Arms Shooter (MMOCAS) would have covered the content more accurately. I don't particularly feel it HAS to be a pure FPS, because to me that is too restrictive for the type of game.
That said, firing or gunning will always be done predominantly from first person. I don't particularly care about someone trying to fire a gun in third person as it has few advantages (if any, likely it has more disadvantages to fire in third person). Though when firing from third person while driving it's more that you'd do so to optimise your driving at the cost of the accuracy of your gunning. Hence why I thought the comment by someone else to widen your cone of fire was an absolutely ridiculous and unnecessary nerf suggestion: driving already expands the cof already and intuitive "hip shoot"-aim is not incredibly accurate either, especially not without a reticule.
It's much harder to determine the appropriate angle from third person as the mouse cursor and therefore the reticule (if one is even visible) behaves different with respect to the terrain. So if people want to and have the skill to do so, who cares if they handicap themselves by firing using a harder firing mode?
And why should people not be allowed to use third person to determine at which enemy they'll be shooting and if it's still safe to stay in a certain area? Why should people have tunnelvision? How does that improve the game? There's too much tunnelvision in the world as is!
Third person is therefore for situational awareness and more of a tactical level view (as well as being easier on the inner-ear), first person is fastly superior for firing. I don't mind the way they did it in PS2 so far, with no gun angle indicators in third person (it'd be fully intuition based on tracers, that's fine with me tbh).
If we're talking the Lightning for instance, I'd say the driver would definitely need both, yes. Next to the driving vehicle gameplay nerfs, you'd after all be excluding people from an entire unit type who get motion sick from first person and that is just wrong.
For a MBT I'd definitely split the roles and have no driver who's also a gunner but that has nothing to do with third person for gunners, everything to do with power distribution per player. For all I care the gunner gets third person on a MBT as well, if not just to determine which target it has to fire at.
Still, I don't get why someone should
not have third person (infantry/GV or aircav). I've yet to hear what's
so bad about it, that
can't be prevented with a new spotting system ("looking around corners"/"seeing enemies a few (deca?)meters behind you" is the only argument against till now). And come on, what's wrong with having some sort of timing your action ability? IMO, if they're visible on the map, you should be able to see them in third person.
It seems to me that fear is the motivational drive for those voting against third person. Thing is I simply can't detect a rationale beyond the idea that someone might time an action against them using third person (wall humping) and out of their direct field of vision. Which IMO is basically only relevant to players who can't work out where an ambush might take place, meaning either lazy or mediocre and worse players. Why should people have extremely little information to work with? How is that fun gameplay? In a game where there's around 1300 enemies on the same continent and an incredibly low TTK, why should you NOT be able to see in third person where those enemies are (after being spotted at least) so you can generate a plan? Should you really just blindly "Leeroy Jenkins" into every situation just because that's easier for your opponent? Really? :/
The immersion aspect of it hasn't even been brought up yet. Simply being able to look at your own character / unit is a nice thing. That's relatively irrelevant for gameplay, but for experiencing the game it means quite a bit. Being able to switch between first and third person is to me important in many ways.
Point in case, there are tons of ways to implement and fine tune third person:
(Fixed/possible) angle(s)
Distance domain (amount of zoom)
Spotting system (what is visible under which conditions)
Linear Mode
