Hacking-cheating in Game - Page 9

fb III IX ca IV · 2012-07-31, 05:07 PM

Phone number verification will not work as you can easily get a new number from Google Voice or the likes.

sagolsun · 2012-07-31, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Rockstone

No. The law shouldn't get involved. Last time Sony did something like that resulted in SOE's servers being shut down. Ban them by the IP level, and move on.

(although, the situations are different, I will admit)

Could you please expand on that?

Originally Posted by Piper

Lot of talk in this thread so far about what Sony (or insert company) can do about hacking and little to none about what we can do about it?

answer:

3) Unconventional warfare
Hire blackhats to disrupt cheating operations, reveal personal data of users, setup a bestiality porn repository on the cheat developer's servers/PCs (assuming it's illegal in their country/state), bundle some nasty al-quaeda recruitment spambot with free cheats, conduct psyops and scare tactics. Destroy the real-life dayjobs and reputation of cheat developers.

^ For the record all of those have been used by corporations or nation states. I'm not inventing anything new here.

It's surprising how cost-effective such a campaign is, really. Sony likes to pull stunts like those off. Hell, they could recruit community members with a particular dislike of cheats and get it done for half-free.

vVRedOctoberVv · 2012-07-31, 05:15 PM

I'm for trolling the hacker sites. If they can do it to us, why can't we do it to them? They block our IP... Get another one. I guess they could block the whole nation block... But that's kinda gonna be bad for business

RAWR! Anti-cheats, ATTACK!

Tzitzimitl · 2012-07-31, 09:38 PM

I believe a possible solution could be an addition to the EULA that states "anyone agree to this is allowing SOE to display personal information publicly if they are caught hacking" (something along these lines).
While this could be scene as cruel, it would help to stem the tide a bit as some would not risk this happening. The only problem could be legal implications of doing such a thing; the abuse of it by people in charge to blackmail people

GLaDOS · 2012-07-31, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by vVRedOctoberVv

I'm for trolling the hacker sites. If they can do it to us, why can't we do it to them? They block our IP... Get another one. I guess they could block the whole nation block... But that's kinda gonna be bad for business

RAWR! Anti-cheats, ATTACK!

Hell yeah! Can you post some of the urls so I can join?

Also, if it's possible, we should try to set fire to the hacker websites. We need to find a way.

Ieyasu · 2012-07-31, 11:48 PM

hacking problems are always going to be around as long as were playing on pc.

I wonder how feasible it would be to throw up a couple of servers in each region that required a paid sub to play on? Im sure there would still be hackers active on them, but I would be willing to wager there would be far fewer there than on the f2p servers.

Rivenshield · 2012-08-01, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by NePaS

the fact that the gits at AA will give you a new key if you get caught using their hack

How in the flying mortal fuck can they afford that?

How the flying mortal fuck can they do this legally and publicly?

kaibutzu · 2012-08-01, 12:16 AM

most people forget that most hackers are 25-60 years old so even if u put paid subs or anything there will be hackers u guys have anyidea how much it costs just got a aimbot ? that wont get u instant ban

a good aimbot is 25-40 bucks a month

kazaboo · 2012-08-01, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by sagolsun

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3) Unconventional warfare
Hire blackhats to disrupt cheating operations, reveal personal data of users, setup a bestiality porn repository on the cheat developer's servers/PCs (assuming it's illegal in their country/state), bundle some nasty al-quaeda recruitment spambot with free cheats, conduct psyops and scare tactics. Destroy the real-life dayjobs and reputation of cheat developers.

^ For the record all of those have been used by corporations or nation states. I'm not inventing anything new here.

+1 to that

NePaS · 2012-08-01, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by Rivenshield

How in the flying mortal fuck can they afford that?

How the flying mortal fuck can they do this legally and publicly?

I do not know,maybe you should go ask them as to how they seem to have a 6 foot pile of DVD cases with keys.

Would love to know tbh,some sod is corrupt(probably a lot of sods tbh)and that is how they get the keys!

iMarx · 2012-08-01, 12:26 AM

An active community that truly knows the difference between a good player and a hacker and the ability to ghost players will be a good defense to hackers.

opticalshadow · 2012-08-01, 12:59 AM

the one big advantage i think we have with this is SOE needs this to make bank. this project cost them alot, and it bveing F2P means they cant recoup with inital sales (like EA does) so this game, atleast for awhile, will have to make bank, and for that, they will need to keep consumers happy.

im pretty sure, that for that reason, they will be extreamly diligent for atleast the first year in working against hackers. ps2 took alot of manhours, took alot of money, and it doesnt have the buffer of 50 bucks to buy in.

PoisonTaco · 2012-08-01, 01:12 AM

Admins with the ability to spectate. It doesn't matter what kind of automated anti-cheating software you use, nothing will be better than an admin.

opticalshadow · 2012-08-01, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by PoisonTaco

Admins with the ability to spectate. It doesn't matter what kind of automated anti-cheating software you use, nothing will be better than an admin.

true, but its alot of a job. Darkfall (atleast during the first few months) had a live admin team and they banned alot of gamers. but the problem became, trying to keep an eye on sevral thousand players at the same time, and some hacks so minute, that tehy gave a huge advantage but hardly and wake.]

but i agree, a dedicated, large, live admin team is teh best way to go.

Daystar · 2012-12-08, 09:24 AM

I was banned recently under the Hacking and Exploiting category. It seemed a bit excessive to be honest as it was a permanent hardware (MAC address by the looks of it) ban for using multiple accounts on different computers to gain experience from killing my other characters for certification points. No macro's, no third party programs, no mods.

I was unaware this was even an infraction-able offense, I thought I was just showing ingenuity, I usually have multiple accounts in online games under the pay to play model with no issue in order to reduce grind. I figured the free to play model would be no different.

But apparently I am a scumbag and John Smedley is going to hunt me and my family down and kill us. The station cash and founder package that I bought was obviously money well spent.

I was predominantly interested in seeing just how advantageous having a lot of certifications was in player competition, which I largely found to be not much. I found the largest advantage was from Station Cash itself to buy the more expensive cert weapons like Rocket Pods, Anti Infantry Cannons/Turrets and Anti-Vehicle/Aircraft lock on rock launchers. All of which had clearly ramped up cert prices to force players to buy them with real money to compete... and I am the scumbag? Neither offense really seems worthy of that title, but I feel mine was not as shady as that.

Okay, the game has to make money with micro transactions but they have adamantly touted the game is not pay to win, and you can argue that it is pay to save time but that is a lot of winning in the mean time for those that have station cash.

Not to say the game is not great, it is, a little rough around the edges right now and not to say I am even against the hacker hunt, it just seems they are being way too zealous on some fairly minor infractions for paying customers.

You can jump on me and say this was my fault, and the same thing to the next guy who gets hosed for a simple misunderstanding, but one day it could be you.

Back to Guild Wars 2 and Battlefield 3, I guess.

Sincerely,

Scumbag