Hacking-cheating in Game

UnityVS · 2012-07-30, 07:06 PM

Hey all,
I posted this on the official forums on my namd3 char, I'm a PS1 Vet, that played on Werner for six years since launch, so apologies if this breaks any forum rules, as these forums are appear more active.

I really have to take issue with the decision of letting Even Balance/Punkbuster near your software.

http://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield...mation_for_the/

The Pay to hack culture is growing the problem has infested and ruined many a game, theres a reply from a hack programmer who states theres 10 year old code inside Punkbuster? still think Punkbuster is well maintained?

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf...54625134907902/

In 10 months one Battlefield 3 Paid for hack supplier has just had 2 ban waves. Even Balance that operate Punkbuster track record appears publicly poor, they don't release ban figures. yet end users experience on a daily basis obvious hackers those that kill you from the other end of the map to those that use the software more subtly like map overlays and damage CoF/Mods, all it does is break down trust amongst the player base.

There massive holes in Direct X code that alllow overlays..thats Microsofts problem.. that ain't getting fixed anytime soon either.

Prepare yourselves with the reality that Punkbuster isn't the answer never was, never will be.

SoE the biggest threat to the success of Planetside 2 is the paid for hack sites, it will drive people away in droves, Ea/Dice/Activision are all to late to the game, there franchises are infested with the problem, don't let Planetside 2 suffer the same fate.

Goodluck SoE I wish you all the best success in tackling this problem.

Braveliltoaster · 2012-07-30, 07:11 PM

this is very true, I'm not very knowledgeable on anti-hacking software so what would be a better choice besides PB?

NePaS · 2012-07-30, 07:15 PM

Artificial Aiming already have access to the tech test,so they are already working on the cheats.

dafuq · 2012-07-30, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by NePaS

Artificial Aiming already have access to the tech test,so they are already working on the cheats.

i really wonder how they get into EVERY GAMES BETA or even tech test

.. their admin cant be that lucky

Braveliltoaster · 2012-07-30, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by NePaS

Artificial Aiming already have access to the tech test,so they are already working on the cheats.

that doesn't surprise me, and the fact that the games free to play its going to be a mess. SoE said they will have GM's looking for hackers, big deal they get banned and they start a new account its a never ending cycle and that is what pisses me off. If someone gets caught hacking they should be banned from the game permanently, Like a hardware ban!

Gugabalog · 2012-07-30, 07:22 PM

Don't a bunch of EULA's forbid modding? Is there a way to get hackers in legal trouble?

(Though it's probably near impossible to identify them)

dafuq · 2012-07-30, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by Gugabalog

Don't a bunch of EULA's forbid modding? Is there a way to get hackers in legal trouble?

(Though it's probably near impossible to identify them)

well, they could sue them like blizzard did with the bot creators of honorbuddy or what the name was

vVRedOctoberVv · 2012-07-30, 07:23 PM

@Gug

Yeah, most forms of hacking are considered illegal nowadays. So is gun running, drug smuggling and lots of other stuff. You can see how well the legalities curtail them :P

opticalshadow · 2012-07-30, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by vVRedOctoberVv

@Gug

Yeah, most forms of hacking are considered illegal nowadays. So is gun running, drug smuggling and lots of other stuff. You can see how well the legalities curtail them :P

thats the problem, its like trying to call the cops when someone threatens you. you can file some pretty papers and say thank you. but unless the guy is cought byt eh cops kicking your door in, theres to much BS between justice and error.

SkilletSoup · 2012-07-30, 07:29 PM

Just ban ban ban. Just permanent ban all the proven hackers. This is play for free, you didn't buy the game, SOE owes you nothing. Hire those server admins for 24/7 monitoring. Give them the tool to permenent ban. Non of this BF3 2 weeks later bs, ban them right there on the server. Lockout their account, if they want a hearing, get in line. SOE you can do this on a play for free game. SOE if you are wusses about this then you fail.

NePaS · 2012-07-30, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by dafuq

i really wonder how they get into EVERY GAMES BETA or even tech test

.. their admin cant be that lucky

I seriously think that Helios(the head guy at AA) works for even balance and that is how they always get in the early tests.

dafuq · 2012-07-30, 07:31 PM

well, every ps2 player is a potential buyer. so they might be very careful who they ban and who not

Braveliltoaster · 2012-07-30, 07:32 PM

here is a list of anti-hacking systems out there:

DMW Anticheat
GameGuard
PunkBuster
VAC
ProtectEnviron
ShoxGuard
CleanDoD
XRay
xTrap
HackShield
Warden
BattlEye

They are all pretty bad and some are out dated, so take your pick.

opticalshadow · 2012-07-30, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by SkilletSoup

Just ban ban ban. Just permanent ban all the proven hackers. This is play for free, you didn't buy the game, SOE owes you nothing. Hire those server admins for 24/7 monitoring. Give them the tool to permenent ban. Non of this BF3 2 weeks later bs, ban them right there on the server. Lockout their account, if they want a hearing, get in line. SOE you can do this on a play for free game. SOE if you are wusses about this then you fail.

the problem is how to ban them perma,

accounts are free, and there are ways around IP bans.

dafuq · 2012-07-30, 07:33 PM

VAC2 is by far the worst