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Old 2003-06-22, 11:49 PM   [Ignore Me] #1
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I have seen multiple posts on the need for the Jackhammer to be nerfed drastically, but personally, I am worried much more about the all powerful Striker.

The Terran Republic is about massive amounts of ballistic firepower, so the probability of a hit is increased and the sheer amount of ammo and lightning fast rate of fire whipes out the enemy. Tell me if I'm wrong.

The Striker's primary function not only doesn't follow this trend, but it completely opposes it. The Striker is a guided rocket launcher that homes in to targets. That's a missle with a feedback system that increases it's precision. That's not what the Terran is about.

Now as for the practical application, I use a VS MAX as my secondary characters. I can't walk out of a door in a TR battlefield with ATLEAST 3 missle locks, and that's not an exageration.

The Vanu Sovereignty is supposed to use precision weaponry that is versatile, but not relatively strong. The TR is not. If you give one empire strengths that the others are supposed to have, you imbalance the type of technology they have by implementing one type of technology into the other. What if you gave the Lancer the strength of the Pheonix and the guidance systems of the Striker? People tend to not notice and overpowering weapon when it's not related to the strength of it, but I do. And this is one of them.

When i see a TR anti-vehicular weapon, i see a fast firing fragmentation cannon, where the massive amount of small explosions and shrapnel eats away at yer enemy untill his is nothing but soot and boots...or something in that vicinity.

My ultimate point is this: the Striker cannot stay the way it is, and the Lancer cannot stay the way it is. Both are in each other's parking spaces, and neither of them fit well there.
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Old 2003-06-22, 11:54 PM   [Ignore Me] #2
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i see the lancer being used against infantry and MAX. isnt the lancer anti-vehicle? i know it is suppoed to inflict a lot of damage against MAXes but it also does pretty good damage against infantry.
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Old 2003-06-22, 11:57 PM   [Ignore Me] #3
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I hate the striker. I don't wish to see it nerfed, but I hate it all the same. As a Vanguard driver I can't drive anywhere where there are TR without a perma missile lock >.<
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Old 2003-06-22, 11:57 PM   [Ignore Me] #4
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yes, vanu weapons are supposed to be versatile, but not that versatile. Its practically a sniper rifle.
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Old 2003-06-22, 11:58 PM   [Ignore Me] #5
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HIGH ROF RPG CHAINGUN!!!!!
For the love of God, lets not go messing with things just cause. if they aren't broken (wich the striker isn't) then don't fix it. Right now the Striker is a good weapon, not an awsome one (and I don't play TR at all, so you are getting an unbaisised statement here). The fact is that what you described would be more along the same lines as the rest of the TR weapons and not be overpowered. The problem is that right now, most people are copacetic with the AV weapons, changing them would just opent the door for more whining and bitching. Each AV weapon has its own unique edge:
TR- Locking missle
NC- User guided missles
VS- Long distance, instintaneous travel time, and good against infantry.

In my book, they are all good for different things. Sometimes I would give a thousand pheonixs for a single lancer, and sometimes I would give a thousand lancers for a stiker. It all just depends on the circumstances.


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yes, vanu weapons are supposed to be versatile, but not that versatile. Its practically a sniper rifle.
Yeah, why would you ever use a lancer when you could just use a bolt driver? Oh... wait.... maybe its because a lanmcer can drop a soldier in 3 hits and a MAX in 6, and do decent damage against vehciles. Ever try to kill a MAX or vehcile with a BD, it aint pretty. Lancer is fine, just different. I wouldn't even have a problem if they boosted the AV side of it, so long as they stripped the AI side away.
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Old 2003-06-22, 11:58 PM   [Ignore Me] #6
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I just plain disagree.

TR's strengths:
Rate of Fire
Accuracy at longer range

At least that's how I remember reading about it when the game first started. I can't see how the Striker doesn't fit the "Accuracy at longer range" category.

In any case, leave TR alone. They've nerfed TR quite enough already with changes to MAXs and such, as well as boosting VS MAX with damage and clip capacity.

BTW, I agree with the multiple posts on the need for the Jackhammer to be nerfed. When you can kill a person in fully reinforced armor (undamaged, mind you) in two shots, that's insane. Also, the Jackhammers eat through the terrible TR MAXs that people complained about and got their way.

And people wonder why there was a population shift on Emerald from VS and TR to NC...

Summary: I disagree. Striker is fine. Nerf the Jackhammer.
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Old 2003-06-23, 12:02 AM   [Ignore Me] #7
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Originally posted by =NCG=Big Bro
I just plain disagree.

TR's strengths:
Rate of Fire
Accuracy at longer range

At least that's how I remember reading about it when the game first started. I can't see how the Striker doesn't fit the "Accuracy at longer range" category.

In any case, leave TR alone. They've nerfed TR quite enough already with changes to MAXs and such, as well as boosting VS MAX with damage and clip capacity.

BTW, I agree with the multiple posts on the need for the Jackhammer to be nerfed. When you can kill a person in fully reinforced armor (undamaged, mind you) in two shots, that's insane. Also, the Jackhammers eat through the terrible TR MAXs that people complained about and got their way.

And people wonder why there was a population shift on Emerald from VS and TR to NC...

Summary: I disagree. Striker is fine. Nerf the Jackhammer.

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Old 2003-06-23, 12:06 AM   [Ignore Me] #8
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Christ , what is it with people and nerfing the TR . You've got a rail gun thats very effective at long range ,very effective against maxs an very effective against infantry . Striker really isnt that powerful . Half the time it doesnt lock onto things , the lock breaks easily we have to reload if we want to kill a fully armoured max , its pathetic against most vehicles an its actuly quite hard to shoot down descent reaver pilots . Oh and TR are ment to have a high rate of fire , i havent seen any thing mentioned over accuracy and i think the striker holds true to that .If i were to say i cant walk into an nc held base with out dieing to aload of jackhammers with a few seconds what would people say ? Go in a different way , different tactic what not . Work round weapons an dont expect em to bend to your needs :|
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Old 2003-06-23, 12:08 AM   [Ignore Me] #9
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Originally posted by =NCG=Big Bro
I just plain disagree.

TR's strengths:
Rate of Fire
Accuracy at longer range

At least that's how I remember reading about it when the game first started. I can't see how the Striker doesn't fit the "Accuracy at longer range" category.

In any case, leave TR alone. They've nerfed TR quite enough already with changes to MAXs and such, as well as boosting VS MAX with damage and clip capacity.

BTW, I agree with the multiple posts on the need for the Jackhammer to be nerfed. When you can kill a person in fully reinforced armor (undamaged, mind you) in two shots, that's insane. Also, the Jackhammers eat through the terrible TR MAXs that people complained about and got their way.

And people wonder why there was a population shift on Emerald from VS and TR to NC...

Summary: I disagree. Striker is fine. Nerf the Jackhammer.
Whoa whoa whoa, back the exageration train up a bit, I agreed with everything you said before and after that bolded statement. The TR MAXs are still very good. You want to see a terrible MAX? Join NC. In my opinion, TR and VS are about tired for best MAXs now. TR MAXs are still very good.
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Old 2003-06-23, 12:10 AM   [Ignore Me] #10
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I'm a striker user and I only use it to kill maxes and flying vehicles that are slow to escape my lock. Wolfeh is right about the lock on. I can be standing a few yards away and it simply will not lock onto the target until its destroyed . Vanguards and Magriders will own me hardcore even after I hit it with 12 hits from the striker.
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Old 2003-06-23, 12:22 AM   [Ignore Me] #11
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Accuracy from a long range? Um that's not how i see it at all. This is what the antivehicular weapons are comprised of as of now:

Striker-Moderately strong missle, Homing capabilities, dumb fire mode as well.

Pheonix- Camera guided missle with reasonable velocity restrictions, Packs a punch like a bitch .

Lancer- Dumb fire, fastest refire rate out of the three AV weapons. Largest clip, weakest ammunition. Can kill infantry more easily from a distance.



The Terran's weapons focus on killing their opponents quickly. Their weapons have the highest rate of fire of the 3 empires.
I rest my case.
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Old 2003-06-23, 12:24 AM   [Ignore Me] #12
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When the striker works it does precisely that , kill quickly an quite frankly im sick of seeing people constaly whine nerf striker
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Old 2003-06-23, 12:29 AM   [Ignore Me] #13
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Well, the Striker is ass against anything but vehicles/MAXs, which the Lancer and Phoenix are not, so hey, it all evens out. You don't like getting perma-missile lock, we don't like getting sniped by missiles fired by someone we can't even see (or perforated by a laser cannon by a guy we can barely see).

All the weapons have a benefit. They're all decent, and you don't want to start needlessly nerfing them, because the nerf bat swings both ways.
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Old 2003-06-23, 12:45 AM   [Ignore Me] #14
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im tired of peeps complaining about jackhammer. it is a tri-barrels auto shotty it gonna kick ur ass if ur on recieveing end. other empires can use it also. if all u non NC peeps say every NC carries one. then cert in HA and loot a freaking jackhammer and were all happy. theres no rule that says u cant loot or use a jackhammer.
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Old 2003-06-23, 01:24 AM   [Ignore Me] #15
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oh yeah and like i said before
ITS A FRIGGIN TRI BARRELED SHOTGUN ITS SUPPOSED TO KICK ASS! sorry guys u were makin me mad once again
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