Lasher NOT Recommended

Saxywolf · 2003-08-20, 01:09 PM

I know they nerfed it and all, but did anyone bother to check to make sure it wasn't already nerfed vs Reinforced armor?!!!

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@ 5m 20m 50m

"uber" Lasher:
22/8 21/8 21/8

"nerfed" Lasher:
21/8 18/8 11/8

...worst stats highlighted

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Gun  ROF Clip   5m     20m  dmg/clip dmg/5sec  sustained fire (sec)  fastest kill (sec)
JH   2.3   16  48/64  12/16   1792      1288            6.96             0.97
LS   3.6   20  21/8   18/8     580       522            5.56             2.39
MG   7.6  100  10/8    9/8    1800       684           13.16             1.83

Total armor + health for reinforced is 250.

This is why you die so quickly to a JH...

This is why the MG can take out 4 of your ppl, and still not have to reload...

This is why it takes most of a clip to Lash ONE guy...

JH kills very fast close up, MG has sustained shooting w/high rof, and lasher has what again? at least double our clip size so we can STILL only do about half the dmg/clip.

P.S. - Please, please, please pass the word around. Copy paste this post if you want to. Feel free to verify my numbers.

Eliaas_Demens · 2003-08-20, 02:12 PM

You forget, Vanu is supposed to be the underdog. They nerf our items to keep us in our place. There's a reason all of my certs are common pool.

Happy lil Elf · 2003-08-20, 02:55 PM

I'm curious what are the two different numbers under damage? Health/Armor?

Saxywolf · 2003-08-20, 03:08 PM

yes Health/Armor damage

Some good replys on this thread

Happy lil Elf · 2003-08-20, 03:20 PM

Well I guess my main question is why are you putting armor figures in? No health is what kills you armor has little to no effect on it other than reducing damage. There's something wrong with your ROF on the lasher too. It fires faster than 3.6/second since it was ugraded. I'll have to test tonight I guess but I'm almost positive it's closer to 4/sec if not 4 on the dot.

For the jackhammer are you sure that armor damage is correct? That just doesn't seem quite right unless you were using AP but in that case the health doesn't seem right. I dunno

Sleepwalker · 2003-08-20, 03:21 PM

look, the guns won't all do the same damage, okay? if every gun in the game did the same damage there wouldn't be much reason to even have different guns. the advantage of the lasher is its ease of use, and ability to hit people you can't even see.

the phoenix is weaker than the striker. do you know why? the striker needs a LOS, and the phoenix can hit people that the firer cannot see.

the phoenix does the least damage of the AV weapons because you can hit people over hills and from behind trees. The lasher can easily kill someone who popped behind a tree to reload, and that's why it's still good.

Happy lil Elf · 2003-08-20, 03:35 PM

You do know the Phoenix does more damage than the striker and you're just messing with us......right?

WritheNC · 2003-08-20, 03:46 PM

Hehe.

Phoenix does 250 damage, Striker 200, and Lancer 125 vs. hard targets.

Against soft targets the Phoenix isn't really worth shooting at. The only time I'll ever shoot at infantry is if its some sniper that's killed me more than once, just to kill and aggravate him that he'll change spots and I won't have to deal with him again.

Pyrrus · 2003-08-20, 03:59 PM

I find the blunt end to be more effective these days.

aiwest420 · 2003-08-20, 04:02 PM

phoenix/striker/deci all do 25 armor and health dmg to any soft target..

Eliaas_Demens · 2003-08-20, 04:05 PM

I have to disagree with you there. I'm almost positive they all do 50 vs soft targets. I've killed reinforced with Decimators before. It's almost as hard as scoring a kill with a Beamer.

Madcow · 2003-08-20, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by Eliaas_Demens
I have to disagree with you there. I'm almost positive they all do 50 vs soft targets. I've killed reinforced with Decimators before. It's almost as hard as scoring a kill with a Beamer.

I've hit somebody directly with 2 Strikers and they didn't go down, always the chance they gobbled a medkit before the second one got to them but doubtful.

Eliaas_Demens · 2003-08-20, 04:17 PM

Or a regen implant, or an imperfect aim, or any number of circumstances. But two decimators still kills an Infiltrator.

Happy lil Elf · 2003-08-20, 04:19 PM

Oh yeah and where the hell did that even come from? We're talking about Heavy Assault weapons and all of a sudden you bring up Anti-vehicle weapons.

Ugh.

Saxywolf · 2003-08-20, 04:26 PM

please check out
this post

Happy lil' Elf, I'll double check... I'm pretty sure the armor dmg is correct. I have mixed up the dmg done with the armor left, but I doubt it very much in this case.

Sleepwalker, I don't expect them to do the same damage... you think the Lasher is easy to use? LOL

Against reinforced armor:
Decimator does 15/35
Lancer does 42/8
Striker does 15/35
I don't have data for the Phoenix...