Stay the **** back.

[TeraHertz]

Picture the scene. Our base is under heavy assault. The continent is population locked. Every man woman and child is fighting heavily to stop the TR to the north and the cowardly NC to the south of the continent.

Somone shouts "enemy vehicles comming through south gate"

I quickly rush my lightning tank over to the south door and am met by enemy prowlers surrounded by VS infantry (who are getting mown down.) I open fire and kill one of the tanks, and it blows up. BEEP 21 min gun lock.

The tank explosion killed some of the infantry around the tank. These infantry would have died anyway if I hadn't killed the tank and I'm penalised. Thanks Pside...

[Madcow]

For some reason you seem to neglect what level your grief was at before the incident. As with most cases I'd guess that your previous carelessness is responsible for the current lock and not one unfortunate situation.

[Rarzo]

One time, I got 25 grief for knifing a galaxy. What's with that??

[Kikinchikin]

I seriously dont see how you can get that high grief. Especially, by the looks of your sig terahertz, if you only have 383 kills.

Highest grief i got to was 747 back in the days of me using a rocklet habitually. I also got to 500 or so when i had pounder. That's it tho.

seriously people always complain about weps lock i dont get how u can get it...

[Rayder]

Dumbasses getting in your way while your shooting, this bullshit about blowing up a vehicle and it killing friendlies this acting like you killed them and getting grief. Idiots running in front of your vehicle as your speeding by. Oh yeah, it's not hard to get 1000 grief.

[Kikinchikin]

meh i duno dude. most ive gotten in the past 2 months is about 200

[FireZ]

There are lots of grief issues ATM. I wonder why I get grief when someone runs me over(I caused damage to his bumper??).... Vehicle explosions are a problem as well. Alls it takes is for you to kill 2 people (stealthers running through radiation fields, etc) and then if you even shoot someone with one bullet that runs in front of you you get 25-50 grief.(ah...stealthers...the friendly grief machines) So if you were to kill an enemy ams where 5 or 6 friendlys are around after this(or a surrounding prowler)....insta-weapons lock . It can take you from about 300-400 to over 1000. And if you get lucky enough to have the cloaker from earlier you could be in the 1200's.

I personally have never been in weapons lock but have had other members of my squad with these issue. Problem is that the rising amount of grief if you keep tking the same guy or killing more than one moron that jumps in front of your MCG....so if the same cloaker keep running out in the middle of the firing range and you happen to either hit him or shoot him again....boom double grief...

System still needs work but it is ok...prevents mass TKing but still doesn't prevent the morons from tking the ants so a squad member gets to fill...*shrugs* oh well.

[Jagd]

I've never broken 100 grief unless I'm hunting "friendly" CR5s, or have just had enough of idiots running in front of my Pounder and decide to unleash hell down the stairs at anything that moves.

[00AgentDuck]

Most I got was I think above 400 when I used the burster max in a very large battle and the idiots kept jumping in front of my fire...

But what I really don't like is that when I shoot frag grenades, if I skim a guy I get 50 grief and when I skim a guy with a plasma, for every burn that they get you get (from my experience yesterday) 20-30 grief, not including the initial hit.

[Madcow]

Never broken 100 grief and used to use the Pounder all the time when people called it a grief machine. It's not easy to get weapons lock, you have to be an incredibly careless player (or experience one heck of a bug) to get there. There is no such thing as insta weapons lock, it only happens when your previous carelessness/cluelessness puts you within striking range of 1000.

[TeraHertz]

If you shoot a player it should come up on the player in question's text box "VS TeraHertz delt you 60 [lancer] damage." Unless the player who was hit by the FF presses a "punish" button you receive no greif.

All too often has some prat in a baselisk rammed into me by mistake, giving ME greif. Usualy they say sorry, but it's a bit late for my grief rating.

[Jagd]

Yeah, the grief multiplies exponentially and the only way you can get 50 for one shot is once you are up past the 500 total mark. To get 100 per shot you have to have killed the same guy several times, and be over 500 as well.

EDIT: Beat me to post there TeraHertz. The only thing wrong with your idea about a forgive option like in Half-life's Adminmod is how incredibly annoying it would be to have to deal with extra pop-ups. Not only has your teammate stripped a chunk (or all) of your life away, now you get distracted and have to deal with a damn pop-up that keeps you from shooting at the enemy!

[Squick]

And with that idea (which was brought up hundreds of times in beta) you have to be cocerned about tards flaming you for clicking the "yes, give grief" button.

I would hit the "yes" button in almost all circumstances... Some people think it is OK to spam grenades down stairs without looking, so those people would be very mad if you hit "yes" when they hit you with a grenade for example.

Squick

[Veteran]

You should have a check box somewhere that you can toggle. When it's off, you don't generate grief if a friendly kills you. When it's on, you do. That way you could leave it off until some ********* decides to try to grief you, and then turn it on. Or maybe something like the friends list that you add people to who you want to get grief for shooting you. Just ideas.

[TeraHertz]

no, you misunderstand. The notice that you've been FF'ed will appear in the comms text box, and flash up a small indicator next to your crosshair as it does just now when YOU tk someone. If you're busy, chances are you've stepped in the line of fire anyway and you ignore it. But if your taken a hit you quickly hit the DELETE button or something.