Surge-o-porting

BadAsh · 2003-11-25, 12:24 PM

I really hope the �teleporting� effect some people have when Surging truly gets addressed soon. In the latest announcement from the Developers they mentioned that this would be looked at. I hope it is fixed.

While I don�t intend to accuse anyone of anything there seem to be a core group of players that excel at surge-o-porting in close quarter battles. On Johari, it�s always the same 3 or 4 players who manage to single handedly take out entire squads or platoons before they are brought down. My personal experience is that I have a 2-3 frame battle. The first frame shows they rounding a corner or blazing through a door way, the next frame is them triple shotting me at point blank range with the Jack Hammer, the final frame is me dead on the ground. I literally have no chance to defend and only that first frame to hope to damage the surge-o-porters armor a little before my inevitable death.

One consistency is that it�s always the same 4 guys, all NC, all Agile Surging Jack Hammer users. I�m loathe to call someone a cheater myself, but I will say that anytime these guys show up on the area 2 things primarily happen.

1. A dozen or so HA guys die
2. You can read several /L local and /P platoon chat messages reading something like this: �Ok guys the speed hacker is here, group up and stay together.�

This changes the combat tactics of an entire platoon. And I�m not joking. Yesterday, I joined a platoon that went on a mission to back hack a NC locked continent. We encountered a single surge-o-porter and he owned 2 complete squads single handedly. I died 2 times, both times I ran across him and had that 2-3 frame battle experience.

My first encounter I was Rexo and MCG and I died nearly instantly. My second fight I tried to fight fire with fire and go Agile + Surge myself. This did not work. My observations are as follows:

1. The surge-o-porting does not seem to affect them, they remain accurate and able to navigate. You, however, cannot react.
2. They are not affected by any surge-o-porting you may be able to do. If you agile surge at them, you will notice they are still able to �teleport� and they don�t miss you at all. So clearly, you are not teleporting like they are.

It�s seems plausible that either these players are using a hack/cheat or are exploiting a known glitch with the game. I hesitate to claim they are cheating, but at the same time I hesitate to say they are legit either�

Warning: Boring self qualification below� LOL

Now, while I�m not the best FPS player of all time

I can hold my own in a fair fight. I�ve pretty much been a FPS game player since DooM2 came out back in 95. I�ve been in organized clan matches at the birth of the OGL and have ranked top 3 in several LAN tournaments for 1 on 1 death match play. The last clan I seriously competed in was a Q3A (Quake 3 Arena) CTF clan that won 2 consecutive seasons of CAL tournaments, and was ranked #1 on both the OGL and TWL 8 player CTF ladders for our last 3 months together. What does that mean? Basically, we won our last 40 CTF matches against some of the best and highest ranked clans before we decided to retire. Having achieved the top spot you can just �maintain� at that point and so we all moved on to other games.

From there I played RTCW (Return to Castle Wolfenstein) and only played on a public server running a OLTL (one life to live) mod. The server ran stats and I was always top 5 out of 150+ �regulars� to the server.

My point here is that I�m not some n00b who gets spanked and then cries about it. And I�m not the type to get beaten and then accuses someone of cheating. There are guys who can consistently beat me, and I know it. But I am damn good and I know BS when I see it. Surge-o-porting is BS and needs to GO!

BadAsh

Veteran · 2003-11-25, 12:32 PM

Amen!

Peacemaker · 2003-11-25, 12:32 PM

Maybe the guy has a really hardcore connection?

Marsman · 2003-11-25, 12:50 PM

Amen as well. Uber connection? Not unless these people are sitting at sitting on the LAN inside the SOE server room running a Cray.

Peacemaker · 2003-11-25, 01:02 PM

small college that uses a T1 and only a few ppl use it?

Marsman · 2003-11-25, 01:24 PM

Describing someone's internet connection is like describing the driveway to their house. Despite that it may be paved, triple wide, and have breakdown lanes doesn't mean they can make a trip across town any faster. Yes, they hit the street quicker, but they still must negotiate the streets and roads from point A to B. Same with the internet - you can have an OC-192 to your house but that doesn't mean the path from the end of your connection to your destination is as fast or has as little traffic. The internet has latency - no matter how quick you get started - you aren't going to be able to reduce your ping beyond a certain point. Most people have pings that are a 1/10 of a sec or less. Even if you are in the server room on the lan with < 1 ms ping - it doesn't explain some of the things people has reported and seen. 1/10 of sec difference wouldn't allow the 3 frame scenerio of death described above.

BadAsh · 2003-11-25, 01:36 PM

FYI,

I picked the Johari server because I live right here in San Diego and my ping averages about a 12 with my Cable modem and my packet loss is minimal as well.

I don't think this is a connectivity issue.

BadAsh

infinite loop · 2003-11-25, 01:44 PM

Agreed. I hate surge-o-porting more than just about anything else in the game. But if it is a connection/latency issue, I think it's with people that have a bad connection, not a fast and reliable connection. I've heard of 56kers that can teleport at will. Whatever it is, it's retarded and I hope they do fix it soon.

CplPunishment · 2003-11-25, 02:28 PM

BadAsh,

I play as TR on Johari and I im pretty sure I know who you are referring to. I have on a number of occasions come across these players who are moving way too fast for the type of armor they are wearing even with the surge implant. Also, they move that fast for minutes at a time. I might not be the best PS player, but I am no slouch either. I have been playing since May and there is no way you could tell me that they are not either cheating or exploiting.

CorporalPunishment

Madcat170 · 2003-11-25, 02:33 PM

I think its rooted in lag

i do much better with 110 ping than i do with a 30 ping, the slight ammount of extra lag + the extra that surge seems to produce makes you harder to hit.

CplPunishment · 2003-11-25, 02:37 PM

Madcat,

Altough lag does factor into the problem, lag does not matter in this case because I only see this happening with certain players. If it was happening randomly or with every player I encounter then I would discount it. But I see this happen only with certain players and only with them.

Madcat170 · 2003-11-25, 02:40 PM

Just Adding to the lag discussion tbh, ive not had much of a probleme on the werner server with Cheating arseholes, the ones we have come accross are killed by pure team co-ordination

So much client side stuff makes it playable for 56kers, but too much makes it exploitable.

I hate Cheaters, they suck big oversized donkey penis.

Veteran · 2003-11-25, 02:41 PM

It's cool that once Surge is finally eliminated/nerfed into the dirt, PlanetSide will become even more enjoyable than it is now, and speedhackers will be glaringly obvious, instead of using Surge to hide behind.

Not even Johhny Cochrane could get Surge aquitted for what it's been doing to the game.

InfiniteStorm · 2003-11-25, 04:27 PM

surge just needs to be fixed. Like so many people before me have said. Make it so you cannot hold your weapon while surging. MAXs can't shoot while in run mode, why should an agile suit be able to?

infinite loop · 2003-11-25, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by InfiniteStorm

surge just needs to be fixed. Like so many people before me have said. Make it so you cannot hold your weapon while surging. MAXs can't shoot while in run mode, why should an agile suit be able to?

I don't understand this argument at all. What would be the point of having surge at all if they did this? The main use of surge is not for transport, it's for closing the distance between yourself and the enemy more quickly. I don't even waste my stamina on surge unless I know I'm about to engage the enemy. Running towards the enemy with surge and no weapon out would be suicide.