Surge / agile / JH

RagingSpeedhorn · 2003-12-10, 06:39 PM

What do you think? Over the last couple of weeks I have seen more and more NC using this set up, in one instance a full squad.

It's very difficult to defend against and I have witnesssed a surgile NC killing 4 TR Rexo/HA troops in under 30 seconds. I admit he was a good tactically, however is it right to have a set up which allows a player to kill outright without allowing the target to either defend themselves or take evasive action.

FireZ · 2003-12-10, 06:43 PM

that example is exactly why they are thinking about either making surge not usable with a weapon out or HA only when you have Reinf Exo.

WritheNC · 2003-12-10, 06:44 PM

Do a search on these boards. You'll fine more than a fair share of threads on this.

RagingSpeedhorn · 2003-12-10, 06:54 PM

Heh,

I serched for agile and surge. It took me 15 posts of wondering why everyone had highlighted urge and agile in yellow to realise that RagingSpeedhorn------->stupid

dscytherulez · 2003-12-10, 07:12 PM

Blah, blah, blah...I play all empires and ive never seen this as such a big deal. Why dont you surge? Granted a surging jack will have an advantage indoors...THATS WHAT A SHOTGUN IS MADE FOR! You people dont understand. You cant just balance every god damn weapon in the game to exactly the same as everything else. Jackhammers have theyre weaknesses too! Outdoors they are shit and same goes with the gauss...its pretty much the worst weapon at ranges, tied with the pulsar. So after you nerf the JH back to the stoneage, think about the ADVANTAGE you have over us and use it...A JH user outdoors without surge is basically target practice. We pretty much need it to close the gap between our enemies. I found that i lived longer outdoors with an agile and surge, but indoors in my REXO, and playing on the other empires i never really had a problem with surging jackhammers. You really have to realize we NEED that advantage indoors. Killing that surge would even hinder us MORE outdoors where we are the weakest...nothing like strolling up to your enemy 100 yards a way with your weapon holstered. Hey, maybe hell hold his fire until you get there---or not! Tell me this, how many times have you been killed with a JH outdoors? indoors? total? Now...total the TR and VS numbers indoor and outdoor and see what you come up with...

Jagd · 2003-12-10, 07:13 PM

All it took for us, was to read your first post.

Biohazzard56 · 2003-12-10, 07:58 PM

The JH outright is pretty fucking cheap ill admit even thought im NC and that i used to use JH myself. But surge your self, i use guass now and surge is the best way to take down enemies. But if you need to give up an implant so you can contend in combat is a bad thing, be interesting to see how devs handle this topic.

Rarzo · 2003-12-10, 07:58 PM

To make it short: It just isn't fair to us...

BadAsh · 2003-12-10, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by dscytherulez

Jackhammers have theyre weaknesses too! Outdoors they are shit

The MCG and Lasher have a "sweet spot" which is somewhere between short and medium range. The JH however, has it's "sweet spot" at CQB ranges. If you can keep the JH at a distance you can own them, but its just too easy to agile or even rexo surge with the hammer and spank.

Also, the JH is the only HA with 2 modes of fire: Instagib and Ownage. In instagib mode (tri-shot) you just run right at an enemy, and when you run into them pull the triger and count your exp reward. This works great if they don't see you comming from the side or behind. In Ownage mode it's more powerful in CQB than any HA or MA weapon in the game. Surge guarantes CQB most of the time.

This agile + surge + JH combo is why the NC garner over 10% more kills per player than any other empire (see any of the various stat sites) and why threads like this will continue to pop up.

BadAsh

Biohazzard56 · 2003-12-10, 08:35 PM

Not being able to use surge if you have HA in hand is the best idea ive ever heard of, letting people with guass still surge would be a great way to balance

Fragmatic · 2003-12-10, 08:43 PM

I disagree with the gauss being lousy, its exellent at range, I use them more than cyclers, and I'm TR

Biohazzard56 · 2003-12-10, 09:00 PM

Yes, Gauss does own and i love taking out MCGers with Gauss

Rbstr · 2003-12-10, 09:07 PM

The JH is good indoors get used to it its a shotgun and made for indoors. Take it on at a range greater than point blank and it sucks. It can get a bit cheap i know i've played as other empires and its frustrating to get killed like that. The devs are going to make it so you need reinforced to cary HA weps (wich will own and i would have wanted it anyway)

The guass is ok and i use it as a allpurpous wepon but a cycler slaughters everything when compared to the other two.
The guass should have alot more punch than it does, i'm talking desert eagle punch, and should have a smaller COF, but with a large bloom after a 3 shot burst.
And the pulsar needs something to its does have the AP rounds but it should do plasma damage to like alot of VS wepons.

damn my internet connection i've had to retype this 5 times befeor it posted

1024 · 2003-12-10, 09:23 PM

Hit them with a jammer. Slow them down to crawl.

RagingSpeedhorn · 2003-12-10, 09:26 PM

Blah, blah, blah

Nope, just asking opinions

So after you nerf the JH back to the stoneage

Not nerfed, it's the agile / surge / JH combo thats the issue

Tell me this, how many times have you been killed with a JH outdoors? indoors? total?

About equal. If you get agile/surged indoors or outdoors, you cannot take evasive action, and you die.

The question isn't about the JH, but the combination of agile / surge / JH. Even fellow NC say it's a pretty cheap lamer no skill way of killing..