I have a simple fix for getting rid of TKers...

[SquirrelMan]

remove friendly fire. That's it. I don't see any downside to it, and it would get rid of TKers, as their shots do no damage.

[321]

I don't like the idea because friendly fire adds to the game a lot. For example with no friendly fire plasma grenades would be eveywhere and peopel surging like crazy shooting everywhere.

[kreeten]

Nah, friendly fire must remain, takes away an important element of reality.

[Seer]

Habitual TK'ers are barely a problem in planetside--you're proposing to solve a problem that doesn't really exist. FF adds a lot to the game.

[Otherick]

yep, people like it was put runing around shooting everyone. I dont see the point with out FF

[Diddy Mao]

Certain weapons should not inflict damage like on friendlies. Like the "Thumper" it should eithe a) not cause grief b) not do damage to friendlies.

[Krinsath]

Friendly fire is needed for the area effect weaponry. Simple as that.

I think the grief system should be ajusted so that it won't count damage done to a friendly within a certain amount of time of hitting an enemy. For example, a plasma grenade is fired down the hallway with 3 second fuse...idiot surgemonkey runs down hallway firing HA and is hit when the grenade goes off, but so are 2 enemy soldiers...system only gives 1/4 grief as it normally would, as you shouldn't fire with friendlies around, but you were evidently aiming at the enemy.

Also, make the penalties for killing teammates when there's *nobody* around a lot higher. If you're at a base hack and the enemies in SOI is 0-1, then TKing somebody brings a penalty towards the hundreds, unless they're in your squad as usual (if you squad with them, they're your problem ).

My input on the matter.

[Firefly]

These are the same monkeys saying that the Lasher is fine the way it is. Yet they whine about the Thumper.

Friendly fire is what prevents true "spamming".

[Krinsath]

What's your issue with the Lasher Firefly? Outside of the lash behind/through walls bugs that need tweaking...

But Firefly did hit the nail on the head...if there's no friendly fire, why not just get a bunch of guys with thumpers spamming plasma grenades all day long? Those things are lethal if you get hit by 3 or 4 at once...and with the 24 to an ammo box, they could hold a tower for a very long time. Guys would just run up the stairs with fresh thumpers since they're not affected by the plasma storm while any enemy that tried to stop them would be flash-fried. Once the new guys show up, the originals run down, get more thumpers, run back up. Lather, rinse, repeat.

THAT is why we have friendly fire, so that goofy tactics like that aren't put out there.

[Firefly]

My issues with the Lasher are well-documented. My issues with the lack of attention paid to paying customers is also well-documented. This single issue is the sole reason that many MANY good, loyal players and paying customers are simply quitting.

For this reason, and for the reasons of the empire-hopping FairWeather Johnsons who I utterly lack even the most simplest shred of respect for, I am instituting a movement called BOYCOTT THE VANU. Yes, it's all caps for a reason. It's my safe alternative to quitting.

As of this moment, I am declaring myself a Conscientious Objector.

I will no longer take up arms against the Vanu Sovereignty. Ever. Not as long as the Lasher has a "No-Lash-Friendlies" effect and as long as it's drastically overpowered. As long as the Vanu have a significant portion of the population, I will not fight the Vanu. I will not retreat, I will not turn tail and run, and I am not a coward. They can have my property and my lands on Ceryshen, Ishundar and Forseral. I will gladly give it to them without a fight, like the French.

But unlike the French, who rolled over and died and allowed brutes and beasts to live in their homes and on their lands, I will not tolerate closet-Vanu and half-Vanu in my outfit or among my friends. VS who are also TR or NC are scum of the earth. The Empire-hopping garbage needs to go. That's why the Vanu are winning. Every time they get on a crushing streak, the cowards and XP-whores and the powergaming kiddies go run and switch sides, abandoning the TR and the NC. THIS is why I am against dual-empire characters in the outfit. I don't trust halfway halfhearted cowards. I do not want to fight with them, I would rather they stay out of my empire and this outfit, I would rather put them in my gunsights than let them sit next to me.

The Vanu are cockroaches and I will not help them. The Lasher is the reason they flock to the XP like crows on a dead animal. For this reason, because every stinking Vanu player has one, I am no longer going to pay to play this game so I can get my ass kicked by the Vanu. I will get my $12.99 a month's worth by fighing the NC. If I am getting double-teamed on Ishundar by VS and NC, I will turn around and go to an NC-only continent.

I will not feed the Vanu Sovereignty the XP they need to be BR20/CR5. If you're in my squad, feel free to leave it when you see the Vanu, if you plan on staying to fight. Because you'll be fighting without me, and I am taking myself elsewhere. I am not a porn star (anymore) and I am not sandwich meat- I will not be double-teamed on my gaming dollar. This is my hard-earned money and I am no player's bitch. I will fight on my terms, to have fun and fun alone.

Join me in BOYCOTTING THE VANU. It may not send a message, but Vanu will not level up on my cash. I am not quitting the game when I can still fight the NC. I will face a thousand screaming NC with surgile Jackhammers before I face one more Vanu Lasher. This is my solemn vow as a man of honor and integrity. I will not fight those teal-Barney SOBs anymore. Ever.

[SilverLord]

Originally Posted by Firefly

My issues with the Lasher are well-documented. My issues with the lack of attention paid to paying customers is also well-documented. This single issue is the sole reason that many MANY good, loyal players and paying customers are simply quitting.

For this reason, and for the reasons of the empire-hopping FairWeather Johnsons who I utterly lack even the most simplest shred of respect for, I am instituting a movement called BOYCOTT THE VANU. Yes, it's all caps for a reason. It's my safe alternative to quitting.

As of this moment, I am declaring myself a Conscientious Objector.

I will no longer take up arms against the Vanu Sovereignty. Ever. Not as long as the Lasher has a "No-Lash-Friendlies" effect and as long as it's drastically overpowered. As long as the Vanu have a significant portion of the population, I will not fight the Vanu. I will not retreat, I will not turn tail and run, and I am not a coward. They can have my property and my lands on Ceryshen, Ishundar and Forseral. I will gladly give it to them without a fight, like the French.

But unlike the French, who rolled over and died and allowed brutes and beasts to live in their homes and on their lands, I will not tolerate closet-Vanu and half-Vanu in my outfit or among my friends. VS who are also TR or NC are scum of the earth. The Empire-hopping garbage needs to go. That's why the Vanu are winning. Every time they get on a crushing streak, the cowards and XP-whores and the powergaming kiddies go run and switch sides, abandoning the TR and the NC. THIS is why I am against dual-empire characters in the outfit. I don't trust halfway halfhearted cowards. I do not want to fight with them, I would rather they stay out of my empire and this outfit, I would rather put them in my gunsights than let them sit next to me.

The Vanu are cockroaches and I will not help them. The Lasher is the reason they flock to the XP like crows on a dead animal. For this reason, because every stinking Vanu player has one, I am no longer going to pay to play this game so I can get my ass kicked by the Vanu. I will get my $12.99 a month's worth by fighing the NC. If I am getting double-teamed on Ishundar by VS and NC, I will turn around and go to an NC-only continent.

I will not feed the Vanu Sovereignty the XP they need to be BR20/CR5. If you're in my squad, feel free to leave it when you see the Vanu, if you plan on staying to fight. Because you'll be fighting without me, and I am taking myself elsewhere. I am not a porn star (anymore) and I am not sandwich meat- I will not be double-teamed on my gaming dollar. This is my hard-earned money and I am no player's bitch. I will fight on my terms, to have fun and fun alone.

Join me in BOYCOTTING THE VANU. It may not send a message, but Vanu will not level up on my cash. I am not quitting the game when I can still fight the NC. I will face a thousand screaming NC with surgile Jackhammers before I face one more Vanu Lasher. This is my solemn vow as a man of honor and integrity. I will not fight those teal-Barney SOBs anymore. Ever.

Damn...



Fix the Lasher!!!

[JakeLogan]

Only reason I think FF should stay is due to the fact you sometimes get a fucktard that tries to kill a gen in a base that is hacked and secured so that their ant will put more juice in making them get more exp. I've seen it done during the asshole days of Enclave.

[Krinsath]

Originally Posted by Firefly

My issues with the Lasher are well-documented. My issues with the lack of attention paid to paying customers is also well-documented. This single issue is the sole reason that many MANY good, loyal players and paying customers are simply quitting.

To leave because of a slight (and undoubtedly temporary) imbalance is arguably as childish as leaving because someone called you a mean name. "Things aren't the way I want them to be, so I quit"...essentially. Sure, they're paying money so they shouldn't be frustrated, but at the end of the day it is just a game. I get smacked around by every weapon in the game (more than I'd like to admit), yet I'm not stomping away because at it's core I like PS, and I like the challenges that it presents. Things won't always be 100% equal, that's life. The Devs are doing the best they can to work things out, but such things take time to ensure they get done right and without negatively impacting the game in other ways. Problem with the Lasher was it was "buffed" at the same time the other HAs were "nerfed"...so the less-literate amongst us ran in droves to the new super-weapon, which the Lasher is far from.

Originally Posted by Firefly

For this reason, and for the reasons of the empire-hopping FairWeather Johnsons who I utterly lack even the most simplest shred of respect for, I am instituting a movement called BOYCOTT THE VANU. Yes, it's all caps for a reason. It's my safe alternative to quitting.

As of this moment, I am declaring myself a Conscientious Objector.

Hey, it's your dime, play how you want to.

Originally Posted by Firefly

I will no longer take up arms against the Vanu Sovereignty. Ever. Not as long as the Lasher has a "No-Lash-Friendlies" effect and as long as it's drastically overpowered. As long as the Vanu have a significant portion of the population, I will not fight the Vanu. I will not retreat, I will not turn tail and run, and I am not a coward. They can have my property and my lands on Ceryshen, Ishundar and Forseral. I will gladly give it to them without a fight, like the French.

The "No-Lash-Friendlies" has been in there since sometime during beta, and you're NOW complaining about it? Where were these complaints when the Lasher was the lame duck of the HA world? You want a rationale for it? Here ya go: The armors of the different empires are all of different compositions, but the same across the individual empires due to the techniques of manufacturing with Vanu technology (that's Vanu the race, not VS the empire). The Lasher is keyed into the armor, so that the composition of that armor will not react with the electrical field that surrounds the orb (the "Lash" effect). Hence, when the orb passes by a friendly, there is no circuit made as the electrical field is a relative neutral to that armor. This is also why you are lashed then hit by the orb, the circuit is created before the orb itself arrives there.

And overpowered? In certain situations perhaps, but that's true of all the HA's. Yesterday I killed a Rexo Lasher user at close range with a sniper rifle and a repeater...neither of them terribly impressive weapons in CQB. I've used the Lasher and often get beaten out by MCGs that use cover and tactics. In a straight knife fight, the MCG will win in a hallway fight. The VS just make sure they're defended and waiting when it comes to the hallway. Therein lies the difference.

The VS MAXes are actually far more effective than the Lasher is. Go into VR, find a cluster of 8 guys or so, and try to take them out with a Lasher. It'll take three or four clips and a lengthy chunk of time. The Quasar will do the same damage, faster, on less shots at a greater range. In terms of straight weapons performance, the Quasar is more powerful.

Originally Posted by Firefly

But unlike the French, who rolled over and died and allowed brutes and beasts to live in their homes and on their lands, I will not tolerate closet-Vanu and half-Vanu in my outfit or among my friends. VS who are also TR or NC are scum of the earth. The Empire-hopping garbage needs to go. That's why the Vanu are winning. Every time they get on a crushing streak, the cowards and XP-whores and the powergaming kiddies go run and switch sides, abandoning the TR and the NC. THIS is why I am against dual-empire characters in the outfit. I don't trust halfway halfhearted cowards. I do not want to fight with them, I would rather they stay out of my empire and this outfit, I would rather put them in my gunsights than let them sit next to me.

As is readily evidenced by my signature, I play multiple empires...all of them, actually (my VS characters are not in outfits, hence I can't get the cool stat buttons). I have rarely played my VS characters since the Lasher changes mainly because so many people are playing the VS. I prefer to be on the side that's underpowered, as that side is the one who makes the REAL XP. The NC, for instance, are currently one of the biggest XP mills ever, even with the JH being nerfed to the point of uselessness. My NC characters have more success than any other empire to date, mainly due to the target-rich environment. The powergamers and XP whores tend to be really bad players who die easily, hence their need for better weapons. Easy kills are easy XP, and nobody accounts for more easy kills than the VS. I welcome seeing the barneys, unless I'm a pilot.

Originally Posted by Firefly

The Vanu are cockroaches and I will not help them. The Lasher is the reason they flock to the XP like crows on a dead animal. For this reason, because every stinking Vanu player has one, I am no longer going to pay to play this game so I can get my ass kicked by the Vanu. I will get my $12.99 a month's worth by fighing the NC. If I am getting double-teamed on Ishundar by VS and NC, I will turn around and go to an NC-only continent.

There are 2 problems with the VS right now (outside of the bugs that are being remedied):

1) Their inventory advantage with the Lasher being able to hold twice the reloads of almost any other weapon of it's class.

2) The fact that their other weapons are so useless as to leave the Lasher as the only viable alternative. The Pulsar is crap, the Beamer is crap, the common pool weapons all suck for stand-up firefights. What option are the VS left with BUT the Lasher?

Give the VS another viable infantry weapon, fix the inventory imbalance (simple fix: lasher gets 50 shots, takes 2 shots to fire an orb) and you'll see the numbers of Lashers drop.

Fix the TR MAXes (i.e. - give them a not suicide special ability), and swap the JH and Sweeper pellet spreads. Viola! 99% of balance problems solved.

Originally Posted by Firefly

I will not feed the Vanu Sovereignty the XP they need to be BR20/CR5. If you're in my squad, feel free to leave it when you see the Vanu, if you plan on staying to fight. Because you'll be fighting without me, and I am taking myself elsewhere. I am not a porn star (anymore) and I am not sandwich meat- I will not be double-teamed on my gaming dollar. This is my hard-earned money and I am no player's bitch. I will fight on my terms, to have fun and fun alone.

Hey, it's the guys you squad with's problem...the NC have been on the brunt of dozens of TR/VS double teams (read: Cyssor) and yet you complain about the NC and the VS doing the same thing?

Originally Posted by Firefly

Join me in BOYCOTTING THE VANU. It may not send a message, but Vanu will not level up on my cash. I am not quitting the game when I can still fight the NC. I will face a thousand screaming NC with surgile Jackhammers before I face one more Vanu Lasher. This is my solemn vow as a man of honor and integrity. I will not fight those teal-Barney SOBs anymore. Ever.

A man of honor refusing a challenge? Hmmmm. Interesting. As I said, you're the one paying the money, so play how you like...I just find the whole thing bizarre that you get that worked up about a *game*...yes, things aren't perfect at the moment, but you either pay your money and believe that the Devs will take care of things (they are already moving the minimum lash distance back up, which will solve the aura of invulnerability around the Lasher user...the primary problem) or you quit and find something else to do. Up to you.

[SilverLord]

The Enclave is a really good outfit. Yes, they do stupid things but they are a good outfit. Their leader, BuzzCutPsycho is stupid and does really weird things but he knows his stuff.

The big main outfits I've seen is The Enclave, =C22=-K, and us Shadow Dynasty.

[Krinsath]

Hey, don't forget the Enforcers. We're day one and damned good too. RoadRunner707 kicks all ass as a pilot, and we've got one of the best sniper corps in the Republic (Maybe not, but that's what we'll tell everyone )