the Phoenix and its flaw

Tikuto · 2011-02-17, 03:47 PM

Phoenix
NC Anti-Vehicular weapon

Shoot and forget character. You are vulnerable for the duration fo the missile. Big flaw. Hope there's changes to it. We can all see this flaw. We cannot deny it. Can be an irritable weapon against infantry and advantageous in one-against-one combat. Pros and cons but mostly a con.

What's happening with the Phoenix in the next PlanetSide game?

I'd rather the NC have something new and place the Phoenix into common pool.

Bags · 2011-02-17, 03:52 PM

Striker
TR Anti-Vehicular weapon

You are unable to shoot targets not in your line of sight or lock on. People can just fly behind objects. Big flaw. Hope there's changes to it. We can all see this flaw. We cannot deny it. Can be an irritable weapon against aircraft and advantageous in one-against-one combat. Pros and cons but mostly a con.

What's happening with the Striker in the next PlanetSide game?

I'd rather the TR have something new and place the Striker into common pool.

Wrath · 2011-02-17, 04:07 PM

no no no leave the phoenix be its kick ass

I SandRock · 2011-02-17, 05:11 PM

Lancer
VS Anti-Vehicular weapon

You are unable to shoot targets not in your line of sight and you can't lock on. People can just fly behind objects. You can't hide behind an object and shoot somebody else who is hiding behind an object miles away. Big flaw. Hope there's changes to it. We can all see this flaw. We cannot deny it. Can be an irritable weapon against MAX. Pros and cons but mostly a con.

What's happening with the Lancer in the next PlanetSide game?

I'd rather the VS have the Phoenix or Striker and place the Lancer into common pool.

cwutididder?

ArcticPrism · 2011-02-17, 05:13 PM

Replace infantry with MAX in Lancer section.

BlazingSun · 2011-02-17, 05:13 PM

That's what I would like instead of the Phoenix:

Portable Ion cannon from C&C Renegade! It even has NC colours already!

I SandRock · 2011-02-17, 05:14 PM

Of all the AV guns I hate the TR the most, kind of makes light vehicles useless. I know I am fighting TR before I see them because my screen goes

*BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP * *MISSLE LOCK MISSLE LOCK MISSLE LOCK MISSLE LOCK YOUVE GOT A FUCKING MISSLE LOCK DUDE YOU BETTER FUCKING RUN NOW OR YOURE SCREWED* "AAAARGHHH MISSLE LOCK!! WHERES A TREE! WHERES A TREE!! "

*KA-BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM*

ArcticPrism · 2011-02-17, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by KornDemon

That's what I would like instead of the Phoenix:

Portable Ion cannon from C&C Renegade! It even has NC colours already!

So basically you want NC to have a hand held Particle Cannon.

I SandRock · 2011-02-17, 05:27 PM

Fine but then VS get's this

Knightwyvern · 2011-02-17, 06:04 PM

Of all the MAX suits I hate the VS the most, kind of makes aircraft useless. I know I am fighting VS before I see them because my screen goes

*BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP * *MISSLE LOCK MISSLE LOCK MISSLE LOCK MISSLE LOCK YOUVE GOT A FUCKING MISSLE LOCK DUDE YOU BETTER FUCKING RUN NOW OR YOURE SCREWED* "AAAARGHHH MISSLE LOCK!! WHERES A TREE! WHERES A TREE!! "

*KA-BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM*

Canaris · 2011-02-17, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Knightwyvern

Of all the MAX suits I hate the VS the most, kind of makes aircraft useless. I know I am fighting VS before I see them because my screen goes

*BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP * *MISSLE LOCK MISSLE LOCK MISSLE LOCK MISSLE LOCK YOUVE GOT A FUCKING MISSLE LOCK DUDE YOU BETTER FUCKING RUN NOW OR YOURE SCREWED* "AAAARGHHH MISSLE LOCK!! WHERES A TREE! WHERES A TREE!! "

*KA-BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM*

NC Sparrow too if I recall right?

Raymac · 2011-02-17, 06:18 PM

Grass
Anti-dirt attachment

You are able to play golf on it. While it looks pretty, it's color is always greener on the other side. Big flaw. Hope there's changes to it. There's plenty of pros and cons, but mostly cons.

Whats happening with Grass in the next Planetside game?

I'd rather mix Kentucky Bluegrass with some California Sensimilla, so you can play 36 on it, then take it home and get stoned the bejeesus belt outta ya.

Knightwyvern · 2011-02-17, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Canaris

NC Sparrow too if I recall right?

definitely applicable to the Sparrow, yes. However, the ridiculous range and speed of the starfire rounds make it more annoying IMO, as long as the pilot in question know how to use their afterburner properly.

GoldDragon · 2011-02-17, 06:25 PM

The AV Weapons from my Perspective;

Phoenix;
- Camera Guided
- High Damage per shot
- Good range
- Two firing modes (for Close-Quarters)
- Medium accuracy (Dumb-fire)
- Medium reload speed
- Poor rate of fire (especially when using camera guided)
- No control of character using primary firing mode
- Medium/Slow projectile speed
- 1 round per clip

Striker;
- Lock-on LOS
- Reasonable damage per shot
- Good range
- Two Firing modes (CQC)
- Medium Accuracy (DF)
- Good reload speed
- Good rate of fire
- Mobility while shooting
- Reasonable/Good projectile speed
- 5 round clip

Lancer;
- Highly accurate at range (stationary)
- Medium/Reasonable damage per shot
- Good/Excellent range
- Single firing mode
- Medium/Poor reload speed
- Accurate on the move (especially with practice)
- Excellent projectile speed
- Brief "charge-up" before firing
- 6 round clip

Personal Combat Effectiveness rating for each...

Striker in 1st because it allows you to lock on to a target while still remaining mobile and can be used effectively in-doors as well.

Lancer in 2nd allows for a pinpoint weapon dealing reasonable damage that can be used from almost any position so long as you have a line of sight on the enemy.

Phoenix in 3rd because the only thing it really has going for it is the damage *per shot* and being able to shoot from around corners. Using it "effectively" requires you leave yourself open to attack.

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I still use a phoenix in game over the other weapons because I have access to the ammunition and have people who will watch my back while I'm using it. It's easily a more defensive weapon than it is offensive where as both Lancer and Striker can be use effectively on the attack and defense. Mobility is such an important factor in regards to offensive weapons, for example you can't use a camera guided rocket while trying to run from a tank at the same time.

My suggestion would be make the phoenix laser guided over camera guided, that is to say the player controls its movements by looking around. This is much like the anti-tank weapons in Battlefield.

I SandRock · 2011-02-17, 06:37 PM

The TR AA max instagibbed my wasp plenty of times as well

As for the Phoenix, I guess as AV weapon it ranks below the Lancer but its awesome as AI as well. If i'm not mistaken it hit me from 100 health down to 25 health in 1 shot a few times today... And that was from behind a wall to me hiding behind a hill...

What I find a problem with the Lancer is that since it does such little damage you notify the enemy early on that they are being targeted, which gives them a lot of reaction time to move away. It also means that because it does lower damage and you have to remain in LOS of the enemy it has more time to just target you and kill you.

But I'd like the phoenix more simply so I'd use it as anti AI and the Striker because the lock on is no-skill win mode :P I'm actually quite ok with both the Lancer and the Phoenix, I just think the Striker is too easy and really messes up the balance of light vehicles. The Tresher for instance has it's speed so that it can dodge incoming missles and iirc it has no shield because of this. But speed hardly means anything when TR just locks on. Same for most buggies really.

I've always seen TR as the no-skill empire (no offense intended, don't mean that players have no skill just the mechanics dont require it as much). MCG is a strafe left and right and spam to your hearts content gun, you can even just start firing BEFORE you turn the corner to spray and pray all over the place and hitting for good solid damage nonetheless. Auto-lock on, don't need to do anything just point and click :P

*hides from the incoming flames*