Does the term "Twitch gamer" have anyone else scared?

Forsaken One · 2011-09-13, 12:31 PM

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011...-planetside-2/

The term Twitch gamer was thrown around a bit in one of the last "talks with a dev" and it has me a bit worried. Even more so that it fell under "If you don't want to be a twitch gamer you can f off and play a non combatant" which was how a "thought gamer" like me took it as.

I have to admit to me muscle memory to play a game well is an unneeded artificial game lengthener and annoyance to me. It does nothing but make a game unfun but for those who play less, require little to no brain power, rewards physical over intellect, and just overall makes me question about why a human would bother with it other then to feel somehow superior in a game made for the intellectually challenged.

Before anyone says anything about twitch is needed in a fps, may I remind them of some true FPS games. Rainbow Six, Swat 4, even PS1 to a point. Hell even Rainbow Six Vegas 1 wasn't very twitchy. Those games rewarded thought and teamwork over "lulz muscle memory means I auto win lulz" and would be so awesome to see in PS2.

I would love your thoughts on the matter AND maybe some posts from a dev on the issue.

Gandhi · 2011-09-13, 12:35 PM

PS1's lack of twitch gaming is the main reason I was subbed for so long. It's also why I'm against headshots and a lower TTK, but apparently I'm in the minority there so I guess I'll just sit on my porch and grumble about those damn kids some more.

NapalmEnima · 2011-09-13, 12:37 PM

Being able to aim down the sights of a weapon to increase its accuracy at the cost of movement speed puts Tactics way the hell out in front of Unreal-esque pogo-death-mongers.

--Former Pogo Death Monger. I LOVED Instagib!

I fully expect Good Tactics and Decent Reflexes will beat the snot out of COWABUNGA with Great Reflexes. Particularly with some team coordination vs a pack of adrenaline-crazed lemmings.

Not Worried.

Crator · 2011-09-13, 12:45 PM

I too am not worried about this, too much. I would hope they are not going to remove the tactics aspects of the game. If they do, that would be a grave mistake.

Raymac · 2011-09-13, 12:49 PM

If they are aiming for a TTK that is slower than BFBC2, then I wouldn't worry too much. It's not going to be CounterStrike, but it's still an FPS, so skill will be a deciding factor, not just tactics.

Firefly · 2011-09-13, 01:11 PM

What's funny is that I've played twitch games with a team that practiced tactics and won ladder matches and tourneys. So whilst twitch-gaming might be abhorrent to a Planetside player with only a little skill, let's not pretend that e-sports is a fucking fragfest dominated by solo twitch gamers. They can be taken out with teamwork.

basti · 2011-09-13, 01:24 PM

You guys are forgetting something here: First of all, this wont be COD. This wont even be BF BC 2, its actually somewhere between PS and BF.
And teamplay always wins, even in games like COD.

Bags · 2011-09-13, 01:29 PM

COD = 2 shot death
BFBC = 4 shot death
PS1 = ~10 shot death < 30m

So I imagine PS2 will be like 5 - 9 shots or something. Hopefully.

Originally Posted by basti

And teamplay always wins, even in games like COD.

Exactly, it's not like you can 1v4 or anything.

Aractain · 2011-09-13, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Bags

So I imagine PS2 will be like 5 - 9 shots or something. Hopefully.

What the pony said.

SavageB · 2011-09-13, 01:34 PM

YAY for twitch!!!! IF you dont have the skill, you guys wont be having a good time. This game will be skill based and Im all for that. Ive never had any probs with twitch.

Firefly · 2011-09-13, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Bags

COD = 2 shot death
BFBC = 4 shot death
PS1 = ~10 shot death < 30m

So I imagine PS2 will be like 5 - 9 shots or something. Hopefully.

Even if it's 5-9 shots, that's per-person. Put a full squad of people down, all firing at the same target, and that target is fucked. Even a one-man army target.

Bags · 2011-09-13, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Firefly

Even if it's 5-9 shots, that's per-person. Put a full squad of people down, all firing at the same target, and that target is fucked. Even a one-man army target.

That's how it is now. Not sure how a "one-man army" target is different than any other target in that situation though.

"Even if it's 5-9 shots, that's per-person. Put a full squad of people down, all firing at the same target, and that target is fucked. Even a special assault wielding target. "

is equally relevant.

Firefly · 2011-09-13, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Bags

That's how it is now. Not sure how a "one-man army" target is different than any other target in that situation though.

"Even if it's 5-9 shots, that's per-person. Put a full squad of people down, all firing at the same target, and that target is fucked. Even a special assault wielding target. "

is equally relevant.

It's not really relevant unless you're the type of person that touts being a twitch-skilled one-man army as the elitest of elites.

Forsaken One · 2011-09-13, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Firefly

What's funny is that I've played twitch games with a team that practiced tactics and won ladder matches and tourneys. So whilst twitch-gaming might be abhorrent to a Planetside player with only a little skill, let's not pretend that e-sports is a fucking fragfest dominated by solo twitch gamers. They can be taken out with teamwork.

It matters. I find E-sports to be a total joke. Rarely do I ever see E-sports taking up any game that I would find worth a shit. To make matters worse, if they do talk about such a game, they "pro-moded" out anything that was worth a shit in the game, leaving only the physical stupidity.

The fact is the term tactics and strategy can be thrown around by a Twitch gamer. Just look at quite a few RTS games, where its so much more about clicking many buttons and baby sitting mentally challenged units then it is about real tactics and strategy.

Just because a person calls 5 people zergging into a room at once all popping headshots like a bunch of monkeys on crack a tactic doesn't mean it should work or make it a tactic at all.

As for what bags pointed out, a lower TTK with twitch just makes problems worse not better. It just means those 5 people who zerged into the room popping headshots took overall less damage then they would have if it was a fast TTK.

SavageB · 2011-09-13, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Firefly

It's not really relevant unless you're the type of person that touts being a twitch-skilled one-man army as the elitest of elites.

I honestly dont mind twitch based at all, I come from E-sports, ever since cs beta back in the day. I played professionally for DFI motherboards @ CPL vs 3d, complexity all of the of the top teams. I enjoyed my days of twitch gameplay, it comes down to true reaction times and acc. I do love ps1, but i find the TTK's can certainly be much faster, and Im hoping for that in the 2nd. Im hoping for a balance between the orig and what we see now these days, most importantly though, I want a good balanced game.