New Build - Major/Minor Changes needed?

NCLynx · 2011-11-02, 09:51 PM

http://i.imgur.com/D6RBk.png
(Hardware so far)

Going to be building a new computer soon, but I'm hung up on a couple things.

-Gaming (Building it in anticipation of game released in 2012, I don't expect to be able to run them all on the highest settings but I'd like to get close with what I'm able to order currently)

-Animating (Maya, Blender, 3DS Max, etc)
-Video Editing
-Quite a bit of multi-tasking

I dropped the SSD, Cav. Black HDD should do the trick for now. Don't know what PSU to go with, and will probably bump the 560 up to a 580.

This wishlist was made about a month ago so I'm assuming there may also be some big changes I need to make. I'm also thinking of switching to a HAF X or something else.

Although seeing that the new Sandybridge - E processors might come out soonish IIRC should I just wait until then?

Goku · 2011-11-02, 10:43 PM

What is your total budget for this and where do you live (in case you live by a Frys or MC)?

Is there any particular games you are wanting to run (other then PS2 obviously lol) coming next year?

I don't know why you are listing two PSUs there. Which one are you considering?

In no way is that WD 1TB Black HDD worth $200. You get a good 1TB these days for $50-$75.

You can check out SB-E, but it will likely be out of your price range for a six core anyway. That is at least $600 right there if not more. The quad core perform better then the 2600K, but it is not known if it can overclock yet.

Answer those questions and I'll give you more feedback.

NCLynx · 2011-11-02, 11:03 PM

Trying to keep it 2k or under with monitor included. I live relatively close to a microcenter as well.

I listed the 2 PSUs because I wasn't sure which one to go with.

Games? Guild Wars 2, Planetside 2 like you said lol of course, Diablo 3, Dota 2 are the big ones

I'll take the HDD into account, and I kinda figured it wasn't worth it for me to wait for the new SB-Es to come out.

Goku · 2011-11-02, 11:47 PM

Microcenter has a combo with the 2600K and any Z68 board for $60. That beats going Newegg for that. Is there any particular features you needed on the motherboard?

Depends really on the PSU. I love modular PSUs, so if you want to have the ability to organize your case better go for one of those. The HX line is very good.

I bet even a 560 Ti will max all those games out. If you want to go all out and get the 580 be my guest. You could probably upgrade this time next year for a $250 card and get far better performance then a 580 just keep in mind.

I totally forgot what happened in SE Asia. A major flood knocked out the parts for making HDDs. That is why the prices sky rockets. I paid just a tad over $100 when I got my WD 1TB Black last year. Those prices make me want to puke.

Do you have any older HDDs of a good size to old you over? I would never pay that much for a HDD. Rather spend the money on a solid state disk. For shame.

Rbstr · 2011-11-03, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by Goku

I bet even a 560 Ti will max all those games out.

0_o I wonder about that, considering half of them aren't released.

If you're looking for a better vid card I always recommend the slightly cut down versions of the top-end cards. The 570GTX for instance. You pay hundreds less for damn near 90% of the product.

Who really knows what the gfx market looks like next year. If you always put it off for the thing just around the corner you'd never get a new computer.
It'd be a different story if the new gen was out in a month, you're nVidia, at least, is going to be 2012 before release and more for availability and more for the affordable cards.

Traak · 2011-11-03, 12:27 AM

This will help those of you who want SSD speed with some general ideas on what kind of box to build

First, a fast, positively-reviewed SSD, 120GB
Antec, good quality at a good price 750W power supply
Case: Antec popular tower gaming case with plenty of ventilation and space
DVD burner, SATA
Creative Labs 7.1 Sound
G.Skill RAM, 16GB
OCable Motherboard
OC me! i5 CPU
No compromise CPU cooler
Gaming network card, a little less for your MoBo to process
Video Card: Scalable for up to five displays:

Goku · 2011-11-03, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by Rbstr

0_o I wonder about that, considering half of them aren't released.

If you're looking for a better vid card I always recommend the slightly cut down versions of the top-end cards. The 570GTX for instance. You pay hundreds less for damn near 90% of the product.

Who really knows what the gfx market looks like next year. If you always put it off for the thing just around the corner you'd never get a new computer.
It'd be a different story if the new gen was out in a month, you're nVidia, at least, is going to be 2012 before release and more for availability and more for the affordable cards.

The only game he listed that will bring down a 560 Ti may just be PS2. Just due to the sheer amount of people in the game. I highly doubt any of those games are going to be more demanding then BF3 either. That is really the only problem the 560 Ti will have issues with at 1920x1080.

I do agree the 570 is good middle ground. You aren't wasting as much money on a 580 that way too.

Originally Posted by Traak

Gaming network card, a little less for your MoBo to process

Killer NIC cards are a no no, Traak. Not worth the money at all. There really is no real world effect to these working even verse onboard NICs.

Traak · 2011-11-03, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by Goku

Killer NIC cards are a no no, Traak. Not worth the money at all. There really is no real world effect to these working even verse onboard NICs.

Statistics? Proof?

A quote from someone who reviewed a Bigfoot Networks 2100 card:

The killer greatly helped my frame rate for online gaming in particular with Starcraft II which is already a hugely taxing game. I could play on lowest settings just fine but who wants that? I have a nice computer I want to see and appreciate the amazing graphics! After putting the killer 2100 in there I experienced no drops in frame rate and I was able to micro manage those big battles with no problems. This card made my gaming both more enjoyable and more competitive!

And another:

The Bigfoot Networks Killer 2100 is a great network card. The software is very easy to install and its basicly plug it in and play. I've noticed that my ping has gone down in games and my downloads are going faster.

And another:
I am an extremely competitive gamer and was having latency problems with my standard MOBO network so I heard that the bigfoot 2100 was an amazing NIC that would drastically reduce the latency of my games and I must say I was not disappointed. With this NIC It feels as if I am playing on LAN latency which has given me a big advantage in my online performance.

And another:
Purchase this product to stabilize you connection. If others lag, they wont drag you down with them. Saw immediate increase and stability with FPS.

And another:
This card is awesome, it kills lag and make online gaming so smooth. it does help increase the frame rate and improve the gaming experience.

So, you have evidence to refute these? You know these guys, know they are all lying, and can prove that it does nothing for any game, under any circumstances?

I mean, it's only 70 bucks or whatever. It works, people have found that it works, and they are happy. Did you try it and find it didn't work?

Mutant · 2011-11-03, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by Traak

Statistics? Proof?

Franckly random anomounus quotes meen nothing.

Here are a few reviews; the results vary.
http://www.kitguru.net/networking/za...k-card-review/
http://www.overclockersclub.com/revi...t_killer_2100/
http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages...00_review.html
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-...view?artc_pg=1

I have no doubt that in CPU constrained situation the killer NICs provide an FPS boost.
And if you can not be assed to turn off your torrents when gaming it would provide a useful reduction in ping.

But today’s games rarely leave a $200+ CPU system CPU constrained.
And at $70 that money spent on additional GPU power would I imagine give better FSP results. And in normal cases a few ms drop in ping is going to be unnoticeable to all but the most pro twitch gamers.

Originally Posted by NCLynx

I dropped the SSD

For animating and Vid editing an SDD is now adays a must, it just makes so much differance. I would now never spec a workstaton without one.

Also on a 2K bundget look at getting an ISP monitor. Somthing like an HP ZR24, Dell UltraSharpU2410 or ASUS ProArt Series PA246Q for ~ $500

Traak · 2011-11-03, 08:51 AM

But the card isn't 200 dollars. It's more like 70.

If you think 70 dollars is just way too much dosh to risk on something that has been proven to improve gaming for people, then don't do it.

But to just proclaim "It doesn't do anything" is erroneous.

Vancha · 2011-11-03, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by Traak

But the card isn't 200 dollars. It's more like 70.

If you think 70 dollars is just way too much dosh to risk on something that has been proven to improve gaming for people, then don't do it.

But to just proclaim "It doesn't do anything" is erroneous.

Okay, how about "It does something, and what it does is worth maybe $5, but probably less".

Spending that $70 on a better CPU/GPU will do more for you than Bigfoot's cards, which are basically made of marketing. Go to any decent tech forum and praise the Killer NIC...You will be laughed at.

Goku · 2011-11-03, 10:03 AM

Traak if you insist on debating this please make another thread. I do not want Lynx's thread getting turned into a nic card debate. Thanks.

NCLynx · 2011-11-03, 04:05 PM

Well because there's a pretty decent discount today I'm thinking I'll at least get the PSU and monitor today.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139010 is the PSU I'm lookin at.

Goku · 2011-11-03, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by NCLynx

Well because there's a pretty decent discount today I'm thinking I'll at least get the PSU and monitor today.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139010 is the PSU I'm lookin at.

That PSU will do good. Will easily last you several years anyway.

How much is the monitor going for at the moment?

Did you see what I said about the combo deal on the 2600K at micro center?

Concerning the ram this is the cheapest 1.5V set after rebate I see on Newegg at the moment for 16GB. No need for 1600 MHz and you at least still get the heat spreaders.

NCLynx · 2011-11-03, 05:28 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236153 That's the monitor.

With the discount it'll do, can't get that 500$ Dell monitor atm.

Saw the MC deal, there was also this combo on newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.764509
Although I'd like to see if a Black Nov. deal pops up for something like that too.