VS seems a bit dumbed down.

CutterJohn · 2011-11-25, 12:38 PM

So far VS has

-Weapons with damage degradation, instead of bullet drop, and reduced recoil

-An aircraft that flies easier than the rest.

-Tank with a main gun that has no arc(unless thats changed from PS1?)

While cool and all, it seems that things are getting a bit dumbed down. Theres less room for mastery of weapons. I can learn to compensate for bullet drop at range, but there is no possibility of me learning to compensate for damage degradation.. Once I learn to put my reticle over the target I've mastered the thing.

I'm just worried it will be an empire of weapons that are too easy to use. Not overpowered, just less of a learning curve that prevents personal skill from making a big difference to the fight.

What do you guys think?

Aractain · 2011-11-25, 12:47 PM

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jollytraveller · 2011-11-25, 12:51 PM

I agree, although I am unlikely to roll VS so it won't personally affect me.

wildcat140679 · 2011-11-25, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

So far VS has

-Weapons with damage degradation, instead of bullet drop, and reduced recoil

Reading this alone gave me a cold chill down my spine.
I really hope this ain't the case, for this would suck the fun out of the game right away.

Elude · 2011-11-25, 12:56 PM

Seems fine to me, the more advanced technology is the easier it is to use!

I'm not even going to play VS and I'm perfectly fine with this.

LZachariah · 2011-11-25, 01:00 PM

I'm surprised to hear that someone is basing "the fun" of this game upon bullet-drop.

That aside, it would be VERY unrealistic for Vanu weapons to have bullet-drop, they're energy beams. It would be completely arbitrary to say that a beam of LIGHT begins to drift toward the ground after a few hundred yards; NC and TR guns shoot bullets, bullets drift down, not beams of light. Vanu isn't dumbed down, they simply have different limitations and different benefits, just like the other two factions.

~Zachariah

yonman · 2011-11-25, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

What do you guys think?

That you're laying down the ground work for accusing the VS of being the "no-skill" empire. This was chewed to death in the past many times. Lets see:

-Weapons with damage degradation, instead of bullet drop, and reduced recoil
No one said that these are hit-scan weapons. Projectiles can still have slow muzzle velocities and these are not instantaneous hits. You may well have to learn to lead targets and aim correctly with VS sidearms to get any results.

-An aircraft that flies easier than the rest.
Higgs and Tray said that it will be able to perform feats of "break-neck" maneuverability. No one said it would be easy to do, just that the envelope would be larger.

-Tank with a main gun that has no arc(unless thats changed from PS1?)
Same as above.
This also means VS have a tank that cannot serve as light artillery and therefore must compensate by using more direct (and therefore more difficult) approaches. We've had this in PS1, we'll have this again.

I'm not saying VS are the "skill-full" empire, just that each has its own pros and cons. Choose the one that fits your play style and let the others enjoy their own.

Crator · 2011-11-25, 01:32 PM

Balancing of empires... Wasn't easy in PS1 for SOE. But since they've been through it once before (lot of same ppl on dev team) I'm confident they can do it again!

Death2All · 2011-11-25, 01:38 PM

You'll still have to accuratately hit your target, effectively manage recoil and as some have said (if this game doesn't use hitscan) lead your shot....But then NC and TR still need to compensate for bullet drop...

Hmm, well if VS are easymode instead of NC that's fine by me

Elude · 2011-11-25, 01:51 PM

Bullet drop doesn't mean it'll be a projectile, you can easily simulate bullet drop with hitscan.

Nephilimuk · 2011-11-25, 02:07 PM

hmmm is this the start of the buff or nurf the VS

10/10 preemptive strike - no doubt this thread will be referenced for many years to come by our finest forum warriors.

FFS the games not even out yet wait to see how it plays

CutterJohn · 2011-11-25, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by Crator

Balancing of empires... Wasn't easy in PS1 for SOE. But since they've been through it once before (lot of same ppl on dev team) I'm confident they can do it again!

Not concerned about balance. I'm concerned that things would be too easy to use, and there will be no major component of skill. Not because other people might have an easy time of it, but because it would cheapen the game for me if I played VS.

Originally Posted by yonman

That you're laying down the ground work for accusing the VS of being the "no-skill" empire.

lol.. You're accusing me of empire favoritism? Thats rich. I constantly poke fun at people here for their fanatical devotion to an arbitrary video game team.

Zulthus · 2011-11-25, 03:18 PM

Oh god, here we go... haven't even seen a gameplay video or tried the beta yet and already calling them dumbed down. This will be a good thread. Not.

NewSith · 2011-11-25, 03:31 PM

VS are overpowered! I demand! NERF THE SCYTHE!

PS That "aircraft that flies easier' part, I can't quite find it, when did Higby state this?

yonman · 2011-11-25, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

lol.. You're accusing me of empire favoritism? Thats rich. I constantly poke fun at people here for their fanatical devotion to an arbitrary video game team.

Well ... if you'd've bothered to actually read what was written there you'd see I'm actually saying "live and let live". Feeling VS gear "cheapens" your whatever is kind of ironic, considering you seem to look down on others' "fanatical devotion to an arbitrary video game team".

I'm looking to see a world where each faction is appreciated for what it's good at instead of both "other teams" being accused of being easy mode, etc. I'm a dreamer, I know.

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