Joysticks with VTOLs

Otleaz · 2012-06-19, 04:42 AM

So I've been wondering for a while how joysticks would work since the aircraft in this game are all VTOL, especially with the Scythe.

I really want to know if there are any flight sim veterans or maybe just long time joystick users who can predict if joysticks will be viable... especially with that Scythe.

Synapse · 2012-06-19, 04:43 AM

Yes they will be viable and I bet they work a lot like helicopters in other games.

You sound like you've never heard of a VTOL craft being piloted by a joystick before.

Otleaz · 2012-06-19, 04:44 AM

Originally Posted by Synapse

Yes they will be viable and I bet they work a lot like helicopters in other games.

You sound like you've never heard of a VTOL craft being piloted by a joystick before.

No, I haven't. At least not viably.

Synapse · 2012-06-19, 04:48 AM

Are we talking real ones?

I could post you some harrier or f-35 cockpits with joysticks.

Or maybe some helicopter cockpits, all joysticks...

...or I could post you any of the last 20 vehicle games involving helicopters where people use joysticks.....or even the futuristic ones with vtol where people use joysticks as well....

Bottom line, everyone has been flying vtol with joysticks for years and you must have been under a rock. I guess thats good news for you. The devs even playtest with their own joysticks.

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Otleaz · 2012-06-19, 04:53 AM

Originally Posted by Synapse

Are we talking real ones?

I could post you some harrier or f-35 cockpits with joysticks.

Or maybe some helicopter cockpits, all joysticks...

...or I could post you any of the last 20 vehicle games involving helicopters where people use joysticks.....or even the futuristic ones with vtol where people use joysticks as well....

Bottom line, everyone has been flying vtol with joysticks for years and you must have been under a rock. I guess thats good news for you. The devs even playtest with their own joysticks.

/thread

I can't imagine a scythe handling anything like a helicopter, which got me interested.

I also think it might be a bad idea to compare it to real life unless joysticks come with a complete cockpit nowadays.

Kran De Loy · 2012-06-19, 05:09 AM

The rest of the cockpit is just like the ball sack of an actual cock.
An essential part of the system and fun to play with, but by no means as important and the central control stick.

SKYeXile · 2012-06-19, 05:16 AM

Originally Posted by Kran De Loy

The rest of the cockpit is just like the ball sack of an actual cock.
An essential part of the system and fun to play with, but by no means as important and the central control stick.

hrm good analogy, i would have gone with the ugly turd one though.

im not getting why it wouldn't work as vtol, its got a whole extra axis to play with.

Kran De Loy · 2012-06-19, 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

hrm good analogy, i would have gone with the ugly turd one though.

im not getting why it wouldn't work as vtol, its got a whole extra axis to play with.

Yeah I figured that will have to be something like the pedals in a heli.

Or, from like more than 10 years ago I remember the joystick I had back than would also turn on it's axis left/right in addition of all the other normal stuff a joystick could do.

SKYeXile · 2012-06-19, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by Kran De Loy

Yeah I figured that will have to be something like the pedals in a heli.

Or, from like more than 10 years ago I remember the joystick I had back than would also turn on it's axis left/right in addition of all the other normal stuff a joystick could do.

no the twist axis you mentioned is the one i was referring to, its the Z axis. Yea its certainly not new.

Synapse · 2012-06-19, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by Kran De Loy

Yeah I figured that will have to be something like the pedals in a heli.

Or, from like more than 10 years ago I remember the joystick I had back than would also turn on it's axis left/right in addition of all the other normal stuff a joystick could do.

You're correct the twist is in most decent joysticks these days and works great as a tail rotor control.

The missing control from normal helicopter controls is collective, which thanks to ingame simplfication we basically use throttle to stand in for both throttle and collective.

Zekeen · 2012-06-19, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by Otleaz

So I've been wondering for a while how joysticks would work since the aircraft in this game are all VTOL, especially with the Scythe.

I really want to know if there are any flight sim veterans or maybe just long time joystick users who can predict if joysticks will be viable... especially with that Scythe.

I had an entire thread on joysticks, shot down by hobo pilots who preferred using mouses, but got a lot of good information from all the elitist joystick users. Higby himself and a large number of devs use joysticks. The game does have some odd controls, so plan ahead before you buy a joystick. There will be a button you need to hit to control upward thrust. If you don't hold it down, you will start to decline in altitude.

I just ordered this joystick (like seconds ago), because it has a throttle for ease of movement along with the joystick, and a large grip button on the throttle I plan to use for vertical thrust.

The scythe will be hard, with a mouse being required to be picked up and placed down all the time, and the scythe being so agile and able to spin on a dime, yeah, you may have issues with ALL controls. But hey, that's what ya gotta deal with, being all purple and Vanu-y.

Pillar of Armor · 2012-06-19, 07:39 AM

I'm seriously considering getting this one:

The only reason I haven't bought it yet is because I'm not sure if it will work with PS2.

Sledgecrushr · 2012-06-19, 07:42 AM

I havent bought a hota joystick yet but I will have one when the games start.

Kran De Loy · 2012-06-19, 07:46 AM

Yeah, I really need to get another joystick, or three since my brother and father will be playing too.

Also on a side note, mouse only really needs to get picked up frequently when you're operating at a lower sensitivity. Like I'm typically at 5700 DPI, which is as high as my mouse goes, but I have modes to drop it by 1000 at a time should I ever feel the need to for whatever reason. Had to slowly ramp up the DPI over the course of a few months.

Either way once you get used to that high sensitivity you'll notice that you just do not move your hand nearly as much.

SKYeXile · 2012-06-19, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by Pillar of Armor

I'm seriously considering getting this one:

The only reason I haven't bought it yet is because I'm not sure if it will work with PS2.

i think the throttle is rather weak, but the joystick maybe of use. we shall see anyhow.