PS2 devs should be required to play Hearts of Iron 3

super pretendo · 2012-06-23, 07:55 PM

Just to get a sense of how much depth and nuance grand strategy can have, and how much a game can let the players decide things on the highest strategic level instead of just the moment-to-moment action.

That is all.

erunion · 2012-06-23, 07:57 PM

I actually put way more hours into HOI2

maradine · 2012-06-23, 07:58 PM

I'm reasonably certain that the developers are aware of how much depth and strategy there is in a grand strategy game.

Off the record, not Paradox's best work.

Electrofreak · 2012-06-23, 08:01 PM

Having made the original PlanetSide, I'd say SOE already has a good idea how to do grand strategy.

super pretendo · 2012-06-23, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by maradine

I'm reasonably certain that the developers are aware of how much depth and strategy there is in a grand strategy game.

WOOOOOO hahaha comedy gold here people! We have some legends backstage here hahah whoa!

You're not as clever as you think. It's eminently possible that people don't know about grand strategy games or don't know how much depth and strategy there is. My point is reasonably and exactly the opposite of what you snarkily assumed for the sake of looking witty. How could we possibly assume people who the nuances of a game just by knowing the genre's name?

Off the record, not Paradox's best work.

yeah, I prefer EU3, but HoI is more war focused.

Originally Posted by Electrofreak

Having made the original PlanetSide, I'd say SOE already has a good idea how to do grand strategy.

only the arrogant think that they have no room to improve.

Fek · 2012-06-23, 08:10 PM

only the arrogant think that they have no room to improve.

Unfortunately it would seem the devs wish PS2 to have less "grand strategy" than PS1 (see resource denial thread).

maradine · 2012-06-23, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by super pretendo

You're not as clever as you think.

Considering the reaction, I'd say I'm precisely as clever as I think.

super pretendo · 2012-06-23, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Fek

Unfortunately it would seem the devs wish PS2 to have less "grand strategy" than PS1 (see resource denial thread).

I read and posted there, tons of good ideas. What makes you think the devs are against all of it?

Originally Posted by maradine

Considering the reaction, I'd say I'm precisely as clever as I think.

I get way too much mileage out of this picture

Toppopia · 2012-06-23, 08:21 PM

The best way to get strategy, would be to make a RTS game, but then make it we control an individual unit instead of lots of them, that sounds like a fool proof way to have strategy.

Electrofreak · 2012-06-23, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by super pretendo

WOOOOOO hahaha comedy gold here people! We have some legends backstage here hahah whoa!

You're not as clever as you think. It's eminently possible that people don't know about grand strategy games or don't know how much depth and strategy there is. My point is reasonably and exactly the opposite of what you snarkily assumed for the sake of looking witty. How could we possibly assume people who the nuances of a game just by knowing the genre's name?

yeah, I prefer EU3, but HoI is more war focused.

only the arrogant think that they have no room to improve.

You didn't play the original PS, did you? Besides, the devs have already said they've been spending a lot of time looking at other games to see how they can improve.

My cousin used to be a game developer some years ago, one of the lead designers for his team. One time we went into a game store and he told me to go get every game I'd played and absolutely loved. Then he removed the ones he'd already played and put all the games on the company credit card. Then we went home (yeah, this was off work hours for him) and spent the evening playing those games, while he took notes.

Real developers know where to find inspiration. PS already has the core elements it needs, and is already well-inspired by other FPS games. I won't say that the devs shouldn't play Hearts of Iron (admittedly I haven't played it myself) but at this point in the development of PS2, there needs to be more focus on balance and development of existing mechanics than pursuing new development avenues based upon inspiration from another game. Maybe after release when they begin working on the next major expansion they can start looking at other games again for inspiration on how to implement new features and game mechanics.

While I'm hoping for a well-thought counter argument, currently I'm expecting pathetic insults, because that's what we've seen from you thus far in this thread.

super pretendo · 2012-06-23, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Electrofreak

You didn't play the original PS, did you? Besides, the devs have already said they've been spending a lot of time looking at other games to see how they can improve.

sure didn't. But I know the high-level stategy was praised.

And the question is, are the devs looking at the right games for the right reasons. They may not be looking to improve anything strategy related at all.

maradine · 2012-06-23, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Electrofreak

While I'm hoping for a well-thought counter argument, currently I'm expecting pathetic insults, because that's we've seen from you thus far in this thread.

Careful, he might have an àpropos image macro.

There are a lot of things I hope SoE is drawing inspiration from. I'm also operating under the reasonable assumption that they're well-rounded gamers.

super pretendo · 2012-06-23, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by maradine

Careful, he might have an àpropos image macro.

There are a lot of things I hope SoE is drawing inspiration from. I'm also operating under the reasonable assumption that they're well-rounded gamers.

If you don't want to be called out for trying to play your gaffe as a troll, try to not pretend to troll

Rbstr · 2012-06-23, 08:48 PM

It you really think that as a gaffe and not just poking fun you need to stop posting and have a bit of a think for a while.

Electrofreak · 2012-06-23, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Rbstr

It you really think that as a gaffe and not just poking fun you need to stop posting and have a bit of a think for a while.

Thanks Rob. By the way man, you gonna be NC again I hope? I'm wondering if we should revive the old outfit...

You and that gauss rifle were inseparable!