Are you ready to become PS2 officer ?

elementHTTP · 2012-06-25, 02:41 AM

Sir yes sir !!!

Officer training here

RoninAfro · 2012-06-25, 02:46 AM

TL;DW

Brusi · 2012-06-25, 02:49 AM

lol, obviously... or your post would have been like 90mins later than i was, Ronin.

elementHTTP · 2012-06-25, 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by RoninAfro

TL;DW

Shut up and listen PRIVATE !

Shade Millith · 2012-06-25, 03:22 AM

Originally Posted by elementHTTP

Shut up and listen PRIVATE !

Nope.

sumo · 2012-06-25, 03:27 AM

i don't believe in war. but i will kill you on the battlefield should you become TR or NC!

deltase · 2012-06-25, 03:35 AM

If its just for fun, yeah! But im not a fan of someone yelling in my headphones, telling me what to do and in the same time being a jerk.

Sabot · 2012-06-25, 03:42 AM

Haha well it's a bit different being an officer in a war zone, than being a drill sergeant ^^

Marsgrim · 2012-06-25, 04:00 AM

Hmm bunch of in-bred Tory, upper class yobos going through officer training to better learn how to get their men killed while they sip gin and tonics in the mess bar.

The UK armed forces depress me at times...

MrKWalmsley · 2012-06-25, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by Marsgrim

Hmm bunch of in-bred Tory, upper class yobos going through officer training to better learn how to get their men killed while they sip gin and tonics in the mess bar.

The UK armed forces depress me at times...

You do know lieutenants go out on the ground to right? They don't get to sit back in a nice cozzy air conditioned ops room until they have had almost a decade of combat experience.

Plus around 50% of Sandhurst applicants each year were not educated in private schools. And the majority of those being officers in the infantry, you know, the ones who order their men and themselves into combat? The ones you are talking about?

And before you say "I'm basing it on this video", don't because it will show you up to be an even greater idiot by the fact you are willing to judge the modern British Army by a video made in 1989 (that's 23 years ago if you cannot do the math! Almost a quarter of a century). A lot has changed in the army since then. A lot!

And I love how people like you always claim that officers are trained to get their soldiers killed. While on the subject of tactics, how is teaching your officers the best way to get their men/women killed tactically advantageous to an army? Well no need to try because they are taught the best ways to keep them alive, rather than the other way around. I know you are only being factitious but the fact you would bother typing that out as the main part of your comment is worth a serious look at in case some idiots take you literally.

Learn about a subject before you resort to ranting based on stereotypes, please.

Marsgrim · 2012-06-25, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by MrKWalmsley

You do know lieutenants go out on the ground to right? They don't get to sit back in a nice cozzy air conditioned ops room until they have had almost a decade of combat experience.

Plus around 50% of Sandhurst applicants each year were not educated in private schools. And the majority of those being officers in the infantry, you know, the ones who order their men and themselves into combat? The ones you are talking about?

And before you say "I'm basing it on this video", don't because it will show you up to be an even greater idiot by the fact you are willing to judge the modern British Army by a video made in 1989 (that's 23 years ago if you cannot do the math!). A lot has changed in the army since then. A lot!

And I love how people like you always claim that officers are trained to get their soldiers killed. While on the subject of tactics, how is teaching your officers the best way to get their men/women killed tactically advantageous to an army? Well no need to try because they are taught the best ways to keep them alive, rather than the other way around. I know you are only being factitious but the fact you would bother typing that out as the main part of your comment is worth a serious look at in case some idiots take you literally.

Learn about a subject before you resort to ranting based on stereotypes, please.

How to overreact.

7% of UK children go to private school and those 7% make up 50% of Sandhurst applicants - I am pretty sure the Navy and RAF will get a higher proportion. Do the math on that in terms of ratios and all is revealed.

Whilst my original post is flippant to a degree, the British Armed forces still goes a significant way to to sustaining a class system in the UK, and the meritocracy you are keen to portray does not exist at high level - one only has to look at the cronyism and "same school tie" that permeates the highest ranks that set policy.

Indeed, I suspect the only reason the whole Tory front bench isn't in the armed forces is because they failed the basic intelligence test...

MrKWalmsley · 2012-06-25, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by Marsgrim

How to overreact.

7% of UK children go to private school and those 7% make up 50% of Sandhurst applicants - I am pretty sure the Navy and RAF will get a higher proportion. Do the math on that in terms of ratios and all is revealed.

Whilst my original post is flippant to a degree, the British Armed forces still goes a significant way to to sustaining a class system in the UK, and the meritocracy you are keen to portray does not exist at high level - one only has to look at the cronyism and "same school tie" that permeates the highest ranks that set policy.

Indeed, I suspect the only reason the whole Tory front bench isn't in the armed forces is because they failed the basic intelligence test...

Those percentages may be the case but it is no basis to claim that all the officers are upper class ect. Since 50% of them are not. Proportionally to the rest of the UK, yeah you have a point, but you were talking about the officers themselves, therefore the only percentage that matters is the make-up of that group.

And I know the higher levels are basically a VIP club, just like it is with any business, company or organisation. It's not what you know it's who you know right? Well it just so happens that the only people who know the top brass are the upper class tory types, so it tends to be them who get the top spots. It's not necessarily intentional as part of some class warfare, although I suspect that is the case with some.

But the facts are that these same people have to do the same amount of work as the soldiers do since they are out in the field with them. So it's still not a case of them having a relaxing career away from any danger from the very first day, unless of course they are part of a non-combat arm, in which case they wouldn't be sending anyone into combat anyway!