Worry over the Stat Screen.

Vetto · 2012-06-26, 12:14 AM

While PS is not like most mmo, there is one thing I for see having them share.. which is some outfits holding a “you must have this good of a stat score to join” level. I know most people can argue both sides.. whereas a outfit with great players are stronger a whole... I also see how it weakens the Faction as a whole to have one group who likes to push aside learning or casual players as not worth the time.

This also could just be all for nothing and this may not appear, but can't help but feel it is a possible problem.

Any thoughts?

maradine · 2012-06-26, 12:16 AM

Outfits have the freedom to invite or avoid anyone they like. Do you think it should be different? Or do you not like stat tracking?

NCLynx · 2012-06-26, 12:17 AM

Any good outfit won't be TO worried about someones KDR (just basing this off KDR as I don't know every stat that will be shown on the list).

Vetto · 2012-06-26, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by maradine

Outfits have the freedom to invite or avoid anyone they like. Do you think it should be different? Or do you not like stat tracking?

It's not a question over outfit building the way you want, It could be more along the lines of Stat Tracking, I've seen first hand how brutal some of these Progressive guilds can be in other mmo's, To people around them and there members, I just was wondering about the community insight into these people and PS2.

lMABl · 2012-06-26, 12:21 AM

I see your point, but really its up to the outfit, I think they should be able to do whatever they want. Also if people really want to join an outfit that has a minimum level requirement then they should be willing to work towards that minimum.

NEWSKIS · 2012-06-26, 12:21 AM

In every game there are elitist clans. It really wont change much because there will be far more outfits that don't care. There will be many many outfits that would be willing to teach new players or that will just play for fun. People will be able to find just about any type of outfit that they're looking for.

maradine · 2012-06-26, 12:24 AM

I think it's fairly common that for any given self-organizing gaming community, there will be groups that cater strictly to performance and those that are more open - even educational. I may not have the desire (or skill level, for that matter) to run with an über-elite outfit, but I don't begrudge their existence, nor think them unhealthy to the ecology.

p0intman · 2012-06-26, 12:26 AM

Tbh, this happens in quite a number of MMOs where there are competitive aspects and public performance details, for example, from EVE Online:
http://noirmercs.com/showthread.php?...t-to-join-Noir
http://veto.get-no.de/viewtopic.php?t=8

tl;dr: its normal. its also the mark of excellence in competitive corps/guilds/outfits.

it happened in ps1, too, though to a lesser extent. still does in some corners.

Anderz · 2012-06-26, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by maradine

I think it's fairly common that for any given self-organizing gaming community, there will be groups that cater strictly to performance and those that are more open - even educational. I may not have the desire (or skill level, for that matter) to run with an über-elite outfit, but I don't begrudge their existence, nor think them unhealthy to the ecology.

Well said.

This isn't a FPS where skill is determined purely by your ability to kill; there will be an outfit for every player, no matter their style. The game is big enough to cater for everyone.

Arcticus · 2012-06-26, 12:35 AM

I think most outfits are wanting to achieve metagame objectives, not max stats. So, at the margin, their worst player doesn't have to be better than average, only better than nothing.

Size does matter for outfits. An outfit with 20 superstars vs an outfit with 200 average players willing to listen to their squad leaders. I think what's important is for the larger outfits to have capable leadership.

Bags · 2012-06-26, 12:43 AM

Yeah ps1 had plenty of outfits that let anyone in.

Xaine · 2012-06-26, 12:45 AM

KDR in Planetside doesn't mean someone is good.

The thing i like about PS generally is that people are always actively recruiting for outfits, more than any other MMO i've played.

If you are a good player, people will see that when they play with you.

Do you want someone who can camp in a corner and make their KDR look good, or do you want someone who actually gets into the thick of it and tries to take points and helps the team, but dies more.

If an Outfit doesn't take you because of your KDR, then they're not worth being in anyway.

Toppopia · 2012-06-26, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by Xaine

KDR in Planetside doesn't mean someone is good.

The thing i like about PS generally is that people are always actively recruiting for outfits, more than any other MMO i've played.

If you are a good player, people will see that when they play with you.

Do you want someone who can camp in a corner and make their KDR look good, or do you want someone who actually gets into the thick of it and tries to take points and helps the team, but dies more.

If an Outfit doesn't take you because of your KDR, then they're not worth being in anyway.

This ^ Because in this style of game, i will see their score per minute or captures per session, and such, and decide, ahh, this person has a high medic score, he must be a good teamplayer, or, ahh, he has a high captures per session, he must be good at capturing points.

GreatMazinkaise · 2012-06-26, 01:49 AM

In the end, numbers always win out, so I don't see this being a problem. Being a good teamplayer is the baseline prerequisite for being a good player; everyone should have this skill. Even if you're bad at everything else, being able to follow directions allows you to be a useful contributor to any given fight, despite still being cannon fodder.

Sifer2 · 2012-06-26, 01:49 AM

It will probably happen but IMO that's not nearly as big of a deal as how things like KDR will effect the way people play the game itself. Really don't want it to turn into Battlefield where everyone is either playing a sniper or flying a jet to farm kills. Typical FPS stats tracking doesn't reward support roles or team play all that much. Hopefully they make actually contributing to take over territory the most rewarding stat.

As for the elitist outfits themselves does it really matter? Not all outfits are going to care about your stats. Some might demand you live in a certain time zone too. Or be willing to play a certain class when they ask you to. But there will plenty to choose from.