Heavy Assault looks a bit outclassed.

[Karrade]

Hello all, I realise we've only seen snapshots, so that is all I have to go on.

At the moment I cannot see the reason for the heavy assault, as it can't do anything that something else can't do better.

Is there anything I a missing about them?

Maxes can hit harder, take more damage, (do they hold more ammo), and move not too slow compared to HA, a bit slower but not much.

2 Engineers, 6/7 Maxes, 1/2 Medics, seems the perfect squad? LA seems reasonable but i'd probably take an infil instead as you seem to be able to get about the base easy enough with the jump pads.

If you're primary going a vehicle pilot route, the engineer, infil, LA, even medic seems preferable to give you options either in or out of the vehicle. So what can the HA do better than anything else, do they hold more grenades or something? I know they get the shield but still a max seems to be able to outclass them in how much damage they can take.

Thanks for any help.

imho if this is the case, a revive shouldn't go to the engineer, it should go to the HA .

[Aurmanite]

Their shield and heavy weapons. We haven't seen Lashers, Mini Chainguns, or Jack Hammers yet.

[Tikuto]

Originally Posted by Aurmanite

We haven't seen Lashers, Mini Chainguns, or Jack Hammers yet.

Instead of Lasher, Jacker and Minigunner what about having them use a single MAX weapon instead? And Hvy Ast being the only class able to scavenge enemy MAX weapons.

Sounds rather awesome idea, tbh.

[Karrade]

Originally Posted by Aurmanite

Their shield and heavy weapons. We haven't seen Lashers, Mini Chainguns, or Jack Hammers yet.

Does their shield allow them to take more damage than a max if used right?

Do their heavy weapons put out more damage than a max kitted for 1/2 infantry, 1/2 vehicle, if so great! If not, then they are outclassed, in the videos I've watched so far 1/2 maxes seem to hold their own against nearly all HA's they come across.

Originally Posted by Tikuto

Instead of Lasher, Jacker and Minigunner what about having them use a single MAX weapon instead? And Hvy Ast being the only class able to scavenge enemy MAX weapons.

Sounds rather awesome idea, tbh.

That does sound cool, to scavenge max parts for weapons or a physical shield of armor perhaps - Think Guardians out of ME 3. A squad of HA's would get stronger the more max's they faced heh.

[Tikuto]

Originally Posted by Karrade

to scavenge max parts for weapons or a physical shield of armor perhaps

was thinking of just 'pick-up enemy MAX's weapon and shoot' tbh

[infected]

wait and see for yourself.

edit: i can't see how you can discount all the things HA can do that MAX cannot.

can capture points
can drive vehicles
can crouch
no cooldown on respawn same kit after death
no resource cost to spawn
can get healed by medics rather than engineers
can deploy shields
you personally move faster = faster operations possible. your entire unit/squad is only as fast as its slowest unit
can rotate faster
can reload faster?
can jump better?

also, MAX's are still pretty vulnerable to headshot damage, so they aren't as buff as you may believe.

[Sabrak]

Originally Posted by Karrade

in the videos I've watched so far 1/2 maxes seem to hold their own against nearly all HA's they come across.

This might just be because you've watched videos of people who didn't actually knew how to play, and didn't have the reflex to use their missile launcher on MAXes instead of their "standard" heavy assault weapon.

[Karrade]

Originally Posted by Tikuto

was thinking of just 'pick-up enemy MAX's weapon and shoot' tbh

Yeah which is good, but you're still only doing half what they can do. If you could scavenge them for parts, maybe strap on some of the metal, you'd be evening the odds a bit.

Originally Posted by Sabrak

This might just be because you've watched videos of people who didn't actually knew how to play, and didn't have the reflex to use their missile launcher on MAXes instead of their "standard" heavy assault weapon.

This what I want to hear, does the missile launcher put out more damage on a max, than a max using an anti infantry weapon? A 1/2 Max for comparison, otherwise we are back to the same point.

[Bags]

HA can hack terminals, HA can probably use all vehicles, HA have a temp shield that lets them survive tank fire, HA won't have a timer or cost resources like a max might.

[Karrade]

Originally Posted by infected

wait and see for yourself.

edit: i can't see how you can discount all the things HA can do that MAX cannot.

capture points
drive vehicles
get healed by medics rather than engineers
deploy shields
move faster
rotate faster
reload faster?

Because something else does all those better.

Originally Posted by Bags

HA can hack terminals, HA can probably use all vehicles, HA have a temp shield that lets them survive tank fire, HA won't have a timer or cost resources like a max might.

Ah so the max costs resources, this is great, thank you

[ReveX]

The max is suppose to take more resources in order to spawn right?

[Aurmanite]

Let's not forget the AV weaponry. Heavy assault exclusive.

During the E3 videos we didn't get to see much coordinated work. Imagine a group of HA's charging into a room, popping their shields, and just going buck wild with heavy weaponry/rocket launchers.

[Bags]

Originally Posted by Karrade

Ah so the max costs resources, this is great, thank you

Not as of E3, but they mentioned probably doing so. Possibly with a timer.

[Sledgecrushr]

I havent seen a max duck to get cover yet.

[Eyeklops]

Maxes do not have a shield to repair, so they MUST stay near an engineer if they want to stay alive for any long period of time during a firefight. HA has a shield that recharges, so they have the potential to take damage and fully recover on their own.