Tanks are air food?

Night · 2012-07-03, 03:52 AM

Hola guys,

So, I am watching E3 and from what I understand the driver now controls the main gun in the heavy tank? At first thats a good thing I think. It was sometimes hard to get gunners in PS1. But now it will be even harder since they will just be on the secondary gun. This will make the tanks very vulnerable to air attack since in most cases noone will be manning the machine gun.

Maybe an option to switch gun when you are alone in a tank?

Anderz · 2012-07-03, 03:55 AM

All the more reason to squad up and get a secondary gunner in your tank!

Leet · 2012-07-03, 03:58 AM

This just in: Tanks are vulnerable to air attack. I've never seen such horrible balance in any other video game..

Get a friend or join an outfit if you're so concerned about nobody manning your secondary guns. You can't expect to viably play certain things by yourself. Don't let the broken state of PS1 taint you.

Canaris · 2012-07-03, 03:59 AM

Team work is key to well run army, no team work then you deserve to be blown to bits.

Also tanks will be able to change out the standard anti-infatry secondary tank gun for either another anti-vehicle weapon or a anti-air gun. So there's no excuse.

exoteror · 2012-07-03, 04:25 AM

I do not belive tanks will be air food. I think considering that every vehical has access to air turrets, hit and run will possibily be more crucial than ever before.

Flaropri · 2012-07-03, 04:27 AM

Besides, it's a combined arms game, even if you don't have a second gunner or didn't take AA guns get some dedicated Anti-Air to escort your tanks, such as some air superiority fighters and/or missile launcher HAs or MAX Flak gunners in other vehicles.

Night · 2012-07-03, 04:35 AM

Yeah, yeah, you can get a gunner, or a squad to back you up, or a AA max running along side you... But will it happen? It did not happen in PS1.

Coordinated gameplay was not that common. Zerging was common. The gaming world might have evolved though...

Kran De Loy · 2012-07-03, 04:40 AM

Er.. Pretty sure the OP meant that giving the control of the main cannon to the driver makes getting someone to team up with you and help man the MBT even harder to do since they will only have access to the secondary turret. It was already a pain in the ass to get random pubs to help with the fun half of a MBT (the cannon), he seems concerned that it's just going to get harder now that that secondary gunner only gets the secondary gun. Since getting random pub gunners to help out means it's going to be more difficult for MBT to defend themselves against Aircav.

@OP: Yes it is possible to switch guns in the tank without having to leave the tank. Problem is that if you are the only one in the tank and you switch to the secondary turret to defend against the aircraft then you are not driving the tank. Or in other words the tank is not moving and an easier target.

Also if you're by yourself and you're having trouble getting someone to help you, just spawn a Lightning tank instead. It is a 1 man tank that is fast, but light armor and the cannon on it can be changed for Anti Vehicle or Anti Air or a few other options too. It can aim almost strait up to attack air or land targets with equal ease.

DarkChiron · 2012-07-03, 04:43 AM

Originally Posted by Night

Yeah, yeah, you can get a gunner, or a squad to back you up, or a AA max running along side you... But will it happen? It did not happen in PS1.

Coordinated gameplay was not that common. Zerging was common. The gaming world might have evolved though...

I believe the hope is that the easily operated VoIP functionality, combined with the mission objective system built into the game, will help to facilitate people working towards the same goal. It's alot better to hop in a vehicle than run there, and it's better to have a gunner than not. Hopefully if people can talk to each other easily it will be easier to tell the guy about to drive off that you're right behind him trying to be his gunner.

Or the VoIP will just be used to curse at each other and get into e-peen battles. We'll see.

Canaris · 2012-07-03, 04:47 AM

another good idea is to find an outfit that makes teamwork one of their priorities

Flaropri · 2012-07-03, 04:52 AM

Originally Posted by Night

Yeah, yeah, you can get a gunner, or a squad to back you up, or a AA max running along side you... But will it happen? It did not happen in PS1.

Coordinated gameplay was not that common. Zerging was common. The gaming world might have evolved though...

Improved communications will help with that as another said, but I'd also point out that it's not like you won't be ending up near a squad/MAX/fighters just incidentally, especially if there is more fighting on the supply lines then just in bases. They might not stick around the whole time but you can still benefit from their presence and any replacements that might come along. Besides, nothing says you have to stay in the tank if the battlefield conditions aren't conducive to tank use for whatever reason.

Just like you don't have to stay in any aircraft if conditions are bad for them.

Karrade · 2012-07-03, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by Canaris

another good idea is to find an outfit that makes teamwork one of their priorities

Pretty much it.

Either get in a good platoon, that is giving orders/supporting, or get in a decent outfit. You'll not usually lack for support that way.

Join the Zerg and you get the zerg rules
Join an Outfit and you get the outfit rules

Both appeal to different gamers, both get catered for here.

-edit
To see if the platoon knows what its doing, ask for support as soon as you get in it, or ask for orders and see if anyone backs you up/or the leader offers directions. If not then move on.

Astrok · 2012-07-03, 05:08 AM

Originally Posted by Flaropri

Besides, it's a combined arms game, even if you don't have a second gunner or didn't take AA guns get some dedicated Anti-Air to escort your tanks, such as some air superiority fighters and/or missile launcher HAs or MAX Flak gunners in other vehicles.

True.. like in real life a tank cant operate by itself when theirs air treats around.

so basicly u need to combine forces to be a nice and good force.

like tanks need aa.infantry need tanks to support them. etc

ringring · 2012-07-03, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by Night

Yeah, yeah, you can get a gunner, or a squad to back you up, or a AA max running along side you... But will it happen? It did not happen in PS1.

Coordinated gameplay was not that common. Zerging was common. The gaming world might have evolved though...

But coordinated gameplay did exist in large part. Did you run with an outfit? Simply being part of a random squad would't do it.

Tamas · 2012-07-03, 05:25 AM

1) Get a lightning.
2) Outfit it with AA (best AA in game).
3) ????
4) Profit

pro-tip - ???? = shoot enemies with guns